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Franbern Thu 30-Jul-20 09:31:28

ARTICLE BY ONE OF MY LOCAL COUNCILLORS-

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Porridge and potatoes are being lauded by wealthy and privileged commentators and politicians as the answer to the country’s obesity crisis and food poverty problem.
People who actually know what it’s like to live with food poverty or work closely with those who do, have tried so hard for so long to make others understand what the real issues are but once again those with privilege are trying to make the debate one of personal responsibility.
I grew up in a poverty and this was most keenly felt around food.
My relationship with food was very much feast and famine depending on how close to pay day we were. Buying fresh fruit every week just wasn’t affordable.
The cost of eating healthily isn’t as simple as privileged people logging on to Tesco and pointing out how “cheap” fruit and veg is.
Sure, I can get cheap apples in season but apples aren’t going to fill up 4 people.
Five small apples costs around 80p and as a snack would last a day in my house with two children under the age of six.
Let’s not forget that as a minimum, we should all be eating 5 portions of fruit and veg a day. Throw in different coloured vegetables, a banana and an orange each day and you’ve easily spent a few pounds and no-one has even had a proper meal yet!
So it really rankles when privileged people think tackling food poverty and obesity is sneering about how much Pepsi and Pringles people buy.
Privilege isn’t just about family wealth. Privilege can be having your own transport, time to shop around and the knowledge and confidence to cook from scratch.
Having those things will help bring food bills down and give you better balanced meals but not everyone has that privilege.
If you want to tackle food poverty and obesity then you need to consider convenience, affordability and skills.
Give people the financial security, time and knowledge to shop/cook from scratch and they’ll do it. People aren’t eating chips and beans every day for the sake of it!
For example, I am privileged to no longer be in food poverty, to have my own transport, a stable modest income, and crucially the skills and confidence in the kitchen to cook from scratch.
So last night I made roast chicken with patatas bravas, baked feta and minted peas for 4 at a total cost of £8.21.
We have enough leftovers for dinner if I bulk it out with rice/veg for an additional 80p.
£9 for two dinners for four people. Sounds cheap, right?
Well for £9 I could buy enough beans, frozen chips, frozen veg, fish fingers/nuggets/sausages to feed 4 people dinner for 6 nights plus 2 packets of biscuits.
Nutritionally it wouldn’t be great but 4 people would be fed for almost a week on what I spent on two meals.
Cheap, calorie rich food is filling and people are feeding it to their children out of necessity.
Googling the price of fruit and vegetables to shame people is performative othering. It’s a way of saying to ordinary people that the issues we have aren’t structural but caused by a lack of individual responsibility. “THEY don’t buy fresh food because THEY are lazy and YOU are proof that THEY are lazy because YOU can cook and YOU don’t buy junk”.
I’m a very confident cook and I involve my children in my cooking so they can gain the knowledge and skills. Yet I know people from very privileged backgrounds who are unable to cook because they were never taught. They can afford Tesco finest dinner deals and Charlie Bigham’s ready meals and no-one criticises them for it. Yet the single parent working two jobs buying nuggets and chips is lazy and feckless.
These issues are often down to benefit cuts, freezes and sanctions, delays to universal credit, low and stagnant wages, zero hours contracts and insecure work.
Until the government and their commentators are willing to focus on the real causes of food poverty and obesity instead of labelling people as lazy and feckless they need to stay in their lanes.

Witzend Thu 30-Jul-20 20:06:04

Yes, the ruinous cost of housing, esp. in London and the SE, is certainly a factor.
Though having said that, I’m in two minds. Having been exceedingly broke in the past, when dh and I lived largely off soups made from cheap seasonal veg, lentils, etc., bread and the cheapest possible cheese, I know it’s possible to eat reasonably healthily on a very small budget. Things like carrots and cabbage are cheap and very good, but ‘healthy’ nowadays seems to mean more expensive items such as blueberries.

Because of cost, fruit was strictly limited when I was a child, nothing like the amounts of people seem to think necessary today (our vitamins came largely from seasonal veg) - but we all grew up perfectly healthy and I dare say many GNers would say the same.

annep1 Thu 30-Jul-20 20:58:16

I have lost a stone since lockdown started which I think is from spending more on food and cooking better.

A text my daughter sent me earlier. I'm sure many others could say the same.

Callistemon Thu 30-Jul-20 21:32:10

No, I haven't unfortunately.
I have put on about 6lbs, probably through not being able to go out although I have been gardening.

annep1 Thu 30-Jul-20 21:53:09

Oh dear Callistemon. It's very difficult to lose weight. Perhaps try to cut down even a little bit. If you're not using the same number of calories you will gain weight. Can you not go for a walk?

I was actually speaking about mothers who are perhaps on furlough and spending less on petrol and other things during lockdown and have the time and money to make better food. Obviously the amount of money one has to spend makes a difference.
Needless to say now that I know, I can help.
Its not easy on a low budget when you're working and have children.

Callistemon Thu 30-Jul-20 21:57:37

We weren't allowed to drive anywhere for weeks to go for a flat walk. Yes, I've cut down even more. I know what to do. Misery!

annep1 Thu 30-Jul-20 22:35:53

I'm sure you'll lose it once you're walking again Callistemon ?

Callistemon Thu 30-Jul-20 22:46:33

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I need to get out more

welbeck Fri 31-Jul-20 00:07:47

Franbern,
thank you for that article. can we have the citation please.

dizzyblonde Fri 31-Jul-20 06:26:29

I think the posters comparing their past to today are assuming an equal level of intelligence and equal personal circumstances.
As I posted on the other thread, working with the truly disadvantaged in society has made me less judgemental. Coming from a poor family but eating well because both my parents were intelligent, could cook and had been bought up to be able to stretch their income, I assumed everyone had the same opportunities.
Sadly that is not the case. Illiteracy or at least a very low level of literacy is common, money going straight into a partners or their own drug/alcohol/gaming habit is the norm. Parents so fixed in the way they were raised that they would struggle to change even if they understand that change should be made. It’s like coming from a family where several generations have been unemployed, there is no expectation of anything being better. It is not laziness, that would only be true if they knew that things should be different and they had the capacity to change but couldn’t be bothered. In my experience that is rarely the case.

rosecarmel Fri 31-Jul-20 18:15:11

dizzyblonde

I think the posters comparing their past to today are assuming an equal level of intelligence and equal personal circumstances.
As I posted on the other thread, working with the truly disadvantaged in society has made me less judgemental. Coming from a poor family but eating well because both my parents were intelligent, could cook and had been bought up to be able to stretch their income, I assumed everyone had the same opportunities.
Sadly that is not the case. Illiteracy or at least a very low level of literacy is common, money going straight into a partners or their own drug/alcohol/gaming habit is the norm. Parents so fixed in the way they were raised that they would struggle to change even if they understand that change should be made. It’s like coming from a family where several generations have been unemployed, there is no expectation of anything being better. It is not laziness, that would only be true if they knew that things should be different and they had the capacity to change but couldn’t be bothered. In my experience that is rarely the case.

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