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CS1958 Thu 27-Aug-20 19:12:42

I joined solely to post and get some feedback. I am 63, have had a rotten year, discovering last November my husband of 39 years was having an affair. To cut a very long story short he was sorry ( only to have been caught out i am sure ) ,but we are not well off and have no family at all, apart from 2 daughters aged 34 and 31.
So we decided to try and make it work -if we had sold our home at 280k, there is not enough to buy a flat each in the part of the UK we live in. Then came Covid and we were stuck together having been living apart. I work in the NHS and was working 7 days through April and May. I then decided we would have to sell as i discovered so much more that i could not accept his lies. +
But then my younger married daughter tell sus she is pregnant. She was so happy and apart from the normal worries this was some great news and gave me a new feeling of purpose as she sais she would my help and i was willing to give it.
However, she has been very sick, vomiting and relentless nausea. She cries all day - her husband works abroad and is not here to help, his parents live 300 miles away.
So i have been supporting her as best i can with food, care and just being around. But now she says she cannot cope and wants to terminate. She has meds from her GP which do not help , and she is signed off sick from work. She is very poorly.

I know this is her / their decision to make, but it has blindsided me. If i try to talk to her she gets very aggressive and angry , so i back off.

I feel so disappointed in her, i support a woman's right to decide , but this is dreadful in my view. I dont want a wedge to come between us , because i know deep down i am being selfish hoping for a grandchild to fill a void.
But just when i thought life couldnt get any worse for me , it did.
People wil be told she has had a miscarriage , and i will keep her secret, but i dont recognise her now - and that is what my husband did to me, he lived 2 lives.
My sadness isnt just for me - as she so wanted the baby , she cant cope and cant work...
Any words welcome as i cannot tell my friends - i am too ashamed,

GagaJo Mon 07-Sep-20 10:52:37

The name for it is hyperemesis gravidarum. It's a very serious condition which can kill if not managed. My daughter had it and was ill for the whole pregnancy. Unfortunately, in the UK they are notoriously bad at helping with it.

If she is very dehydrated she may need to go into hospital.

The problem is that women that get it, are almost certain to get it with every pregnancy. So aborting won't solve the problem unless she no longer plans to have children.

TrendyNannie6 Mon 07-Sep-20 10:43:04

Totally agree with starblaze post

PurpleStar Fri 04-Sep-20 19:46:46

Wondering if there is any update from the OP? Hope everything is ok,I've been thinking about your post flowers

FarNorth Sat 29-Aug-20 23:53:05

Absolutely right, paddyanne.

Eloethan Sat 29-Aug-20 23:35:13

paddyanne I so agree with what you say.

jenpax Sat 29-Aug-20 17:01:38

Those who say HG is a serious condition are right! My last pregnancy was nearly 30 years ago and I still get traumatised thinking about it. I loved my babies when they came but I went through HELL with the HG. I really hope the OP’s daughter gets the right help and finds the HG survivors group on FB as she may find some support there from those of us who have been through this debilitating condition.

paddyanne Sat 29-Aug-20 14:47:01

I dont know if pregnant women are happy to just take drugs for this condition.In my day we were terrified to take anything as we remembered the Thalidomide scandal .Any "man" who would watch his wife suffer like this and put his feelings about a pregnancy first over hers isn't in my opinion worth having around at all.Wife first is these situations....always .

Summerlove Sat 29-Aug-20 13:43:13

Yes sorry, this was what I meant fron “ring theory”

Re:daughters husband, I read it as though he was aware and supportive.

I wonder how many here seem to think HG is just morning sickness. I had severe morning sickness until I gave birth. I don’t know how I’d have survived with HG.

Anyone who thinks daughter just needs one more drs appt/more drugs obviously hasn’t had this as when you are that sick, you call for every drug you can get.

sharon103 Fri 28-Aug-20 22:27:48

I have to agree with every word of advice from Grandma french.
I also agree with lemongrove in that your daughters husband should be made aware of the situation. His baby too.
Is it possible that he could come home for a few days?
I do believe that your daughter as poorly as she is can only think a termination is the only way out. It's not.
She needs urgent medical attention.
As we are in the Bank holiday and surgery is closed until Tuesday if I were you, I would call 111. You can speak on behalf of another person, I have done a few times for my brother. Another suggestion is to take your daughter to a walk-in centre.
I can't do links but copied and pasted from NHS website;

Some pregnant women experience very bad nausea and vomiting. They might be sick many times a day and be unable to keep food or drink down, which can impact on their daily life.

This excessive nausea and vomiting is known as hyperemesis gravidarum (HG), and often needs hospital treatment.

Exactly how many pregnant women get HG is not known as some cases may go unreported, but it's thought to be around 1 to 3 in every 100.

If you are being sick frequently and cannot keep food down, tell your midwife or doctor, or contact the hospital as soon as possible. There is a risk you may become dehydrated, and your midwife or doctor can make sure you get the right treatment.
Symptoms of hyperemesis gravidarum
HG is much worse than the normal nausea and vomiting of pregnancy.

Signs and symptoms of HG include:

prolonged and severe nausea and vomiting
being dehydrated. Symptoms of dehydration include, feeling thirsty, tired, dizzy or lightheaded, not peeing very much, and having dark yellow and strong-smelling pee
weight loss
low blood pressure (hypotension) when standing
If your nausea and vomiting cannot be controlled, you may need to be admitted to hospital. This is so doctors can assess your condition and give you the right treatment to protect the health of you and your baby.

Treatment can include intravenous fluids, which are given directly into a vein through a drip. If you have severe vomiting, the anti-sickness drugs may also need to be given via a vein or a muscle.
It can affect you both emotionally and physically. The symptoms can be hard to cope with. Without treatment HG may also lead to further health complications, such as depression or tears in your oesophagus.

Severe sickness can be exhausting and stop you doing everyday tasks, such as going to work or even getting out of bed.

In addition to feeling very unwell and tired, you might also feel:

anxious about going out or being too far from home in case you need to vomit
isolated because you do not know anyone who understands what it's like to have HG
confused as to why this is happening to you
unsure about how to cope with the rest of the pregnancy if you continue to feel very ill.
I hope all goes well.

I had all day, every day sickness for 4 months with my first baby and had to be signed off work. Just the smell of food or the thought of it started me offand what I did manage to eat tasted sweet. It's dreadful I know. Luckily it eased off then I was plagued with heartburn. Nothing at all for the second and third babies.
Keep us updated. flowers

Grandmafrench Fri 28-Aug-20 21:06:56

CS there is such fabulous support and really detailed advice on here (with the usual odd exception), you must feel pleased that you set out the detail of the sad situation in which you are now involved and which must be overwhelming.

It would seem that you were faced with a huge shock and felt completely betrayed by your DH's actions. You have had quite a lot of time to think about where your life can now go, with the realisation of funding for that life being limited by a divorce and then you had Covid thrown into that mix. Life possibly seemed that it couldn't get any worse. It's not surprising and totally understandable, IMO, that you should see your Daughter's pregnancy announcement as one small light in the darkness and something that would give all the family so much joy and a different perspective for you.

If you can just focus now on what is happening with your Daughter by offering her more clarity and support and an unbiased listening ear, it may mean that you will be happier and make better personal decisions later.

It has been suggested that moving in with her for a while might be a great help. If it was my Daughter, I would not care what her decision was if she was 150% sure, her mind was made up, that she was doing what she wanted and she was armed with all the medical facts which might have gone towards making that decision.

I wouldn't care at all about what anyone else thought, but I cannot think for a moment that she is not going to share this with her Husband. I could understand that it's her child, but she is taking a huge risk with her relationship if her Husband knows nothing about this and, for myself, I would never want to be complicit in such a lie. It's the very worst thing to do if he's not on board and this is maybe because she knows how he would respond.

I would want to hear that she has no concerns about the risks for the future, in that she might not conceive again. If this is to be her one chance of a family - would she be so willing to play roulette with her chances of a future and successful pregnancy? I understand that perhaps you don't miss what you've never had, but what will she do in the future if her DH starts talking about having a family? This huge decision which she seems willing to take alone will surely feature in her life at some point in the future.

From everything I have read here, it does sound as if seeking Specialist help will give her the best chance of defeating the debilitating conditions she is now facing every day. The big question is, if those could be taken away, would she still want this baby? I suspect the answer is yes, because you said she was pleased ....so she owes it to herself to take the best medical advice to see if her life can be turned around and she can sail through the rest of her pregnancy without feeling so desperate, before talking about a termination.

Of course, you should not be pressuring her either way. It's not your decision to make. If you are sad that she is determined that you aren't going to be a Grandma, that's something you will just have to accept - or risk losing your relationship with her. But she must have all the facts. If she is just defeated by the horrendous sickness now, someone needs to find out if she would change her mind completely if she could only shake that off. That person is you. Giving her all the facts, maybe encouraging a referral to a Specialist team right now, before she makes any decision is the best way of supporting her.

I so hope that there's a happy outcome to this current situation and that, whatever happens, you can accept your Daughter's decision knowing that you have done all you can to encourage her to get all help. Once she is settled, this should enable you to get on and sort out your own problems without these worries and stress. Good luck.

lemongrove Fri 28-Aug-20 20:45:32

No Paddy he certainly wouldn’t....and neither would I.

paddyanne Fri 28-Aug-20 20:33:39

Presumably your OH would have supported your decisionlemon ,he wasn't the one suffering for months so his choice would have to take second place to the mother who is going through hell.Yes I do know anout this ,I spent 3 months in hospital with it lost one twin at 11 weeks and the other after a pren birth at 32 weeks .I left hospital wearing size 8 jeansthat were falling off me on legs that could hardly hold me up.The MOTHER must be the priority here .Her body ,her choice.Its a horrible situation she's in and her mother cant or shouldn't try to either change her mind or guilt trip her .I wish her well

janeainsworth Fri 28-Aug-20 20:05:23

Lucca I didn’t know either, but having googled, I think Summerlove means this.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/promoting-hope-preventing-suicide/201705/ring-theory-helps-us-bring-comfort-in%3famp

Hithere Fri 28-Aug-20 19:25:51

Lucca
I still stand by it.
I didnt say for OP to ignore her dd

What I said is for OP to solve her problems instead of finding her new purpose on other people - this pregnancy, the baby and helping her dd.
That is not healthy.

OP can do both things - address what is wrong with her life AND support her dd.

Her dd has enough on her plate. She doesnt need to be her mother's emotional crutch so her mother can be happy again

What happens if her dd doesnt need help? How will OP cope?
What if her dd goes ahead with termination? There would be no baby to fill that void OP has. What would OP do then?

That is what I meant with my statement.

Lucca Fri 28-Aug-20 19:10:22

and yet you say “ The sooner OP faces the real problems, the better off everybody will be.”

Hithere Fri 28-Aug-20 18:41:27

"Well that’s her told !
I hope she comes back as I feel very sad for her and think she has every right to worry what the effect of a termination might be on her daughter."

Of course OP would worry about this! What a difficult decision to make.

lemongrove Fri 28-Aug-20 17:26:20

Doesn’t your DD’s husband and the Father of this child get any say in it?!
I can imagine what my DH would have said (if I had said I wanted a termination)of a wanted baby (our baby) because of constant sickness.It is grim ( I went through it myself) but you have to hang in there and talk to the GP.

Lucca Fri 28-Aug-20 17:22:27

“ Ring a theory for grief ” what does this mean, sorry if I’m being obtuse

Lucca Fri 28-Aug-20 17:21:39

Sorry but one poster is implying she should only be bothered about her own relationship issue.

Summerlove Fri 28-Aug-20 16:11:41

Oh of course she can worry about how it will affect her daughter. No one said otherwise. She can worry about how it affects herself as well, but just not to her daughter. Which I would guess has happened due to the comment that her daughter gets defensive.

It’s a horrible situation all around, especially for Op as it has compounded her horrible situation with her husband.

Ring a theory for grief really suits this situation well.

Lucca Fri 28-Aug-20 16:01:19

Far north ?

Lucca Fri 28-Aug-20 16:00:38

Hithere

This pregnancy is not about the OP, it is her dd's.

What it is about the OP: her husband cheating on her, for example.
What OP should be thinking about is how to deal with that without involving her dd and gc.

Yes, it is way harder to solve the real issue instead of hiding behind a curtain (pregnancy and baby, in this case) but life is not always easy.

The sooner OP faces the real problems, the better off everybody will be.

Well that’s her told !
I hope she comes back as I feel very sad for her and think she has every right to worry what the effect of a termination might be on her daughter.

FarNorth Fri 28-Aug-20 14:40:43

OP has had an incredibly stressful time in recent months and has described it to us.
Haranguing her is pointless, she needs constructive help.
Luckily some posters have given her this.

Hithere Fri 28-Aug-20 14:30:01

This pregnancy is not about the OP, it is her dd's.

What it is about the OP: her husband cheating on her, for example.
What OP should be thinking about is how to deal with that without involving her dd and gc.

Yes, it is way harder to solve the real issue instead of hiding behind a curtain (pregnancy and baby, in this case) but life is not always easy.

The sooner OP faces the real problems, the better off everybody will be.

Grammaretto Fri 28-Aug-20 14:21:35

We have to know the rules in this game don't we! Lucca and Luckygirl it can be a minefield.

When my DC are suffering or anyone in my family I want to help and if it means interfering occasionally - so be it. Better than not and later being accused of being uncaring and wrapped up in my own problems.
We help each other but I guess when someone else is suffering you won't want to burden them with your own problems.
I realise severe pregnancy sickness has a name but all the more reason for being out in the open with a serious illness, surely Hetty?