Second lockdown

Motherduck your post puts everything into perspective.
? Take care ?

Motherduck, your post about your daughter is utterly heart-breaking, I am so sorry you and your family are enduring this terrible ordeal.

Peace too, . May you and your dd remain well.

Motherduck
So sorry to hear this and heartfelt sympathy. Puts the minor inconveniences into perspective. ?

Motherduck so sorry to hear what you are going through, you and your family will be in my prayers. Love to you all

MellowYellow

I can't believe how naive I was thinking the first lockdown would be the end of it! We're not threatened with it here (yet) in Cornwall, but I feel quite fed up with the way things keep changing, and I don't usually get fed up!!!

188 new cases in Redruth, one of my Cornwall daughters tells me. All connected with a meat packing plant.

motherduck you and your family are going through such a truly dreadful time. I hope with all my heart that your daughter’s health improves and she and her husband can be together with each other and with their baby.

Oh Morherduck, please may I offer a long, hard cuddle to both you and your incredible daughter.

Mother duck my heartfelt prayers ? are with you and yours.?

Gizzy48 Sorry only just seen your post. I was told in advance by my surgery and Consultant that I was in high risk group and would therefore be receiving a shielding letter, which duly arrived and shortly after heard from major supermarkets that I was on the shielded list.

I live in Wales and mid August received a letter which was identical to my neighbour’s letter (she had also been shielding). This told us that shielding was now lifted and that we could go out, that chemist deliveries would stop shortly, but that we might have to go back into shielding should it be deemed necessary. My medication/medical condition has not varied much over 20 years or so. Although no longer shielding I am still classed as a vulnerable over 70. The difference being that I can now go out to shops etc. In fact I don’t, we have everything delivered, but I do enjoy walks etc, which I couldn’t do before. As it happens we now are back in stricter measures, but that is as a county not as a result of shielding. I understand that currently there are no plans to re-introduce it. I thought that the shielding concept was the same for all the UK, indeed friends in England came out of shielding before we did. Hope that clarifies the situation for you.

Paperbackwriter, yep there are a load of positive tests at a meat packing plant in Cornwall. What I meant was that in my area we're not being threatened with a lockdown (yet).

Motherduck thinking of you and your daughter.

motherduck I am so sorry for your situation and I'm sorry I complained about not being able to see my daughter this weekend your situation has pulled me up short. I send you and your daughter my very best wishes.

I think there is a problem with picking up grandchildren because if granny older generation collects grandchildren there is a risk of coronavirus from the school children but the government never seem to mention this it’s all can grandparents help out !!

Motherduck
Sending you love and hugs. ????

I'm in the Vale of Glamorgan, in lockdown, no going out of the county except for work or school or an exceptional reason. But visitors from an infected area in England can come here. We cannot meet in houses, except single adults on their own, or single parents can bubble with one other household. However long this goes on for, we just have to accept that this may be the way of life for some time. At least I can now meet up with a family member, and have another human to talk to. My dog is great company but her conversation is limited.

visitors from an infected area in England can come here

It's confusing, Pippa.
Are they allowed into your area?
Are they allowed out of their areas?

We are in lockdown with the highest incidence of the virus in the NE yet still I see my neighbours going off on holiday and students out partying.

I am really losing patience with these selfish people.

Most people are NOT selfish. They are trying to live their lives, coping with the ever-changing and so confusing and conflicting advise the best they can.
Following the science is one of the biggest hoaxes we have, different scientists give totally different advice - you can take your choice.
If you feel particularly vulnerable, and have been terrified by daily figures (strange we do not and never have been given those for any other killer illnesses), and you are able, then stay at home.
However, for millions their homes have become like little prisons, family breakdowns are running out of control, abuse within the homes both between adults and to children is ever-increasing. Suicide rates have never been high AND as yet, the really bad times have not come.......
Once all those tens of thousands of job cuts take effect, furlogh finishing, protection against eviction stops........what then......
I will be honest and say that I am , and have been, all year, far more scared of all of these things than I am of this virus, which like so many other nasty illnesses I have to learn to live with.
Easy for those of us on pensions, with no job to worry about, probably with our mortgages paid off, to sit in their homes - and good luck to them if that is what they are willing to do.....but for millions that is not an option.
If all the people looking after our utility supplies (water, electricity, gas, etc) stayed self-locked up in their homes along with truck drivers, shelf stackers, pickers for home deliveries, shop workers, etc. etc. we would all really know about society breaking down.

Callistemon, apparently people in lockdown areas in England can go on holiday anywhere in uk. Where as we are not able to leave our county without a very good reason. Our First Minister has asked Boris why but has been informed that, he, Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement. We have had coach loads visiting local areas from parts of England in restricted areas.

I don't understand why Glasgow isn't in a serious lockdown. According to the tracker app there are 4345 active cases there today. If I lived in Glasgow I'd not be going out much!!

...... has been informed that, he, Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement”

This is the central problem with the National Govt’s policy along. As soon as I heard BJ talking about the “good sense of the British public” when restrictions were lifted months ago, I knew we were in trouble. Of course many people will interpret “guidance” to suit their own needs and wants. It’s a complete abrogation of government responsibility.

Maybe it's a compromise between those sheep like creatures who want to be told what to do and the very assertive types who want to get on with life and let the oldies shield. He's getting it in the neck from both sides and can't win.
Personally, I'm very careful, follow the rules and think very carefully about the environments I go into. It's a sort of sub shielding. My choice. However, I'm glad to see my ACs and DGSs out and about and going to work and school. We can meet up in a restaurant near us which has good Covid standards.

Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement

I interpret this as Boris speak for "I haven't a clue what to do".

Very easy to criticise. Nothing much seems to work or make much difference. We're not a compliant country like North Korea.

I agree to a point Jane10 but it would be helpful to have some directions given by those who are supposed to be leading us out of this. Simply saying "I'm leaving it up to the individuals to make a judgement" is what's got us in the pickle we're in now. I sympathise with those in Wales who have been put in lockdown but see a steady stream of visitors trailing through their counties, possibly bring the virus with them.