Why don’t Brits like Trump

It's visceral. He does something with his neck/shoulders, his hand gestures. Screams liar, bully (real vicious sadistic bully). - That's all apart from his overt taking over of a political party to achieve power - they are SO lucky to have the Democrats to save them from him. Months longer and I fear he would have done some constitutional changes to prevent him ever having to refer to 'the people' again.

Ps, great post Gill. It should be posted across the world!

Don’t get me wrong... Trump is every vulgar, negative adjective known to man, and a few more added on! He’s like a car with all the emergency lights flashing telling us there is something seriously wrong, and it needs to be taken in, and most likely scrapped. BUT.....the much more worrying thing is the millions of people who have voted for him. Nearly 70 million according to the news last night. That figure is probably higher now. We had the chance to emigrate there about 35 years ago, but it just didn’t feel quite right. Sooooo relieved we didn’t go. Are they a country we want to be ‘ friends’ with? I’m not so sure.

A good post NotSpaghetti. I agree.

It's also good to read *BlueBelle's post as increasingly I've found the Trump rallies to be a scary, raucous echo of pre-WW2 rallies.

I shall now off to copy GillT57's post.

The OP says "I could say a few things about your government leaders, but I was brought up a bit differently than you were." I did believe that Americans were also brought up to see the characters of their all-too-human leaders with clear eyes, not ones misted with awe at the high office they occupy. The ones who left Britain in the Mayflower and her sister ships could certainly see the inequalities in the way they treated those with a variation in their religious faith.

I don't know why so many have changed to tolerating the intolerant and brutal attitude the most recent president has shown toward foreigners, women, those of other faiths, and the needy of all kinds.

He is, in my opinion, a vulgar, vacuous, racist, sexist, bully with below average intelligence and a severe narcissistic personality disorder.

Is it a sort of cult brainwashing do you think that turns decent ordinary people into the moronic crowds we see adulating political figures of American political parties?

I have never seen this in the U.K.

Germany yes.

I expect you have gone now PageTurner but in the UK we regularly say negative things about our Prime Minister and others in office. We don't equate the prestige of the position with the person who holds that office. As far as we are concerned they all have faults - and some many, many faults (just think back to any PM here!), and we are often full of anger and exasperated with them.

Thatcher, Johnson, Blair, May et al have been on the receiving end of vitriol from people both left and right. Corbyn, who wasn't even PM, has also endured hateful comments.

America is clearly a great country but is is very divided. Like the UK there is a massive gap between the most wealthy and the poorest. These divisions make it hard to see only the good in a place - and I say this with sadness as I lived in America when I had young children so feel a great fondness towards you. One of my children was born there, met a young American here in the UK and has now made it his home. I am invested in America through him.
Two of my very dearest friends here in the UK happen to be American - and I still have two very close friends from my time over there who I love - so it not as though we hate everything about America.

If you are still here, please understand, the comments you read on Gransnet would likely as not be the same if he was our PM. It has nothing to do with his office or his country, except that when you hold high office, we expect more of people and are often (some say usually), dissapointed.

Did you follow the Brexit debate here? Did you read the comments about our leaders in that debate? Did you see the crowds marching against the government about the Iraq war? Many of us still feel deceived and angry with Blair about that.

Please PageTurner don't think the feelings about Trump extend to the whole of America. From this side of the pond, he is not percieved to be representative of the ordinary people, even if he is currently your figurehead.
Finally, the different attitudes can be seen in the way our ex-PMs revert to their names after they leave office. America goes on calling their ex-presidents "President" I think this is a conflation of the person and the office. Rest assured, many of us love and trust and have lives bound up with America. I don't think you should take negative reactions to this one person, Trump, to heart.

I’m not a fan of Trump but I must admit I like him. I think it’s his ‘couldn’t care less what I say’ attitude - I’ll miss him.
I don’t follow American politics at all but has he been that bad a president?
He still pulled in millions of votes this time round.
Pretty sure his son will take over in a few years anyway, so doubt it’s the last we’ve heard of Trump.

Yes good analogy to Hitler’s Germany Bluebelle. Trump really is that bad. Although could I point out that most of the German people didn’t know what was going on in the camps (my mother grew up in Hitler’s Germany).

Frighteningly it has opened my eyes to how Hitler managed to get such a following as to ruin the world for a period in history I could never understand how he had enough popularity to turn people’s heads to murder on such a huge scale but seeing how Trump can turn the heads of some believable intelligent people like yourself pageturner I can now understand
Unfortunately pageturner no one at all has had to be ‘up to their dirty tricks’ as you put it Trump has done it all for himself with his big mouth and brain that doesn’t connect to put any reasonable words together he’s an out and out racist sexist money mad cheat who would stop at nothing and he can’t put a sentence together apart from the cry of ‘Fake news
and the love for his Twitter finger ’

I agree with you over our chaps you can say what you like about them before you go

pageturner feel free to say anything you like about our government leaders - we won’t be offended.

PageTurner: I lived in America for a year when I was young but I find it impossible to understand the adulation Trump receives from some of his fellow countrymen and women! Many of us aren’t impressed with our own government either. The USA promotes itself as the land of the free so one would hope that includes free speech.

PageTurner, before you leave can you explain why you think he is a great man? Most of us really can't see it.

This is the last post I will make on Gransnet.
There have been only a handful of positive posts made about America and Americans since I have been a member.
I don't know why I put up with it as long as I did.
Unfortunately, this thread is beyond the pale.
The hate you so blatantly show for President Trump is absolutely disgusting.
He is a great man who loves his country and millions of Americans know this.
That's why the liberals have been up to their dirty tricks since 2016 to impeach him.
If you've never been to America ,or lived there , you don't have any business saying such disgusting things about our President.
I could say a few things about your government leaders, but I was brought up a bit differently than you were.

He is absolutely abysmal in every way. The piece posted was brilliantly written, I agree with every word. What I find so amazing is so many presumably intelligent people voted for him, including many Latino people who he has continually derided. Why I ask myself , how does he get away with it? Please let Biden get in and put a stop to it all.

I understood that the economy picked up because of the actions taken by Obama despite the republicans putting spokes in the wheel at every opportunity.

I shared a meme (Trump with a face like an orange) on Facebook and had my first experience of hate mail from Trump supporters presumably from a cancer support group I belong to.

My OH finds it amusing that I actually shudder when Trump appears on tv especially when they focus on his mouth. Some primeval instinct at play!

eazybee

Do the friends in America give the reasons why they do like Trump?

easybee “He is a constant winner and overachiever and that’s what the people who support him like about him. Yes he’s been caught in lies and twisted the truth a little but he’s still out there proving his haters wrong time after time. Some people are jealous of someone who is successful, powerful and has a lot of money. Throw in a hot foreign model at his side and they hate him even more. You may not have wanted him in his role but he’s there now and there’s nothing you can do about it. I know it’s possibly going to get worse over the next several days, but like him or not he has turned the economy around”

Gill57 I have read that piece before and what a brilliant description of Trump it gives. What I really can't get my head around is how his supporters are oblivious to his numerous faults - how could they possibly not see what is so obvious to others? It is just completely beyond me how anybody could approve of him.

Parsley that is what he says. I have seen other reports suggesting that his finances are anything but secure, but obviously wealthy , and very wealthy, republican supporters, who have gaines so much in his presidency are more than happy to keep the Trump band wagon running.

paddyanne

He had a Scottish mother and apparently she didn't think he was up to much either .

I read that, too paddyanne.
Apparently he really worried her.

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/11/fact-check-donald-trump-donates-salary-but-he-still-makes-money/5410134002/

Trump is so wealthy that he doesn’t need his salary.

Lemongrove it goes well beyond the hair. Both are serial liars, both are womanisers. See this link for all the similarities.
www.boredpanda.com/boris-johnson-donald-trump-comparison/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

He had a Scottish mother and apparently she didn't think he was up to much either .

I sent it to my American friend who said 'Oh soooo true!! Passing this along!!! Thank you so very much!'