Unbelievable

It doesn’t surprise me to be honest. Political correctness has gone barmy over the last year.

<mutters> sprouts matter too.

No great loss if those people are going to boycott Sainsbury’s!

BlueBelle

I read today that people are threatening to boycott Sainsbury’s because their Christmas advert uses a black family
Whattttttt ! is this what our country is about now

Where have you read this?

Davidhs. Black players contribute a huge am0unt to the glorious game. Curious that they don't figure large in management or coach roles isn't it.

slight correction, Laurence Fox is son of James Fox (the servant fame), not of Edward Fox (day of the jackal fame).
the elder two are brothers and Emilia and Freddie are children of Edward Fox and Joanna David, all actors.

BlueBelle

I read today that people are threatening to boycott Sainsbury’s because their Christmas advert uses a black family
Whattttttt ! is this what our country is about now

If Sainsbury's hadn't used a black family that would have been wrong. When I think back to the 60's, nobody seemed to take offence the way they do now. Too many people are so prickly over things. It isn't just Black Lives Matter. ALL lives matter.

Wasn't it a black family in last year's JL ad? Or maybe the year before. I think it was the one with the dog on the trampoline, can only remember the dog. What's so different about this year's Sainsbury's ad.

I've read some of the twitter comments about the advert and one said it should be shown in Nigeria not the uk and others far worse than that.

welbeck

slight correction, Laurence Fox is son of James Fox (the servant fame), not of Edward Fox (day of the jackal fame).
the elder two are brothers and Emilia and Freddie are children of Edward Fox and Joanna David, all actors.

You are quite right, sorry. I actually thought I had typed James Fox. Regardless, he is part of an influential family (and is, IMO, a racist idiot ).

David, I agree that people should get jobs on the basis of merit. Unfortunately, however, there is a lot of evidence that shows that this is not the case. Even before interview, a lot of employers discriminate on the grounds of perceived race (and gender), so many people of colour don't get a chance to show that they have merit. Even so, there is no quota system.

Do you think that people with green eyes are over-represented in adverts, by the way?

Davidhs

You may have noticed that there is a quota system not just for adverts, even the latest Space launch had a multi ethnic crew, including the first black female astronaut, which was heralded as a big achievement.
Wether there was any element of positive discrimination in that case I have no idea, but there is a lot in other areas, this is always going to cause resentment, someone is always going to feel aggrieved.

And you know this how?

Doodledog is correct of course, there is no quota system despite my response to Davidhs earlier, when I suggested there should be,
There have been a number of exercises where job applications from people with exactly the same qualifications, one with a 'foreign' sounding name, the other a white British sounding name. The 'foreign' person doesn't get an interview.

Sarnia

BlueBelle

I read today that people are threatening to boycott Sainsbury’s because their Christmas advert uses a black family
Whattttttt ! is this what our country is about now

If Sainsbury's hadn't used a black family that would have been wrong. When I think back to the 60's, nobody seemed to take offence the way they do now. Too many people are so prickly over things. It isn't just Black Lives Matter. ALL lives matter.

There was just rampant racism then, no anti discrimination legislation. I’m sure plenty of black peoples were treated disgracefully but most white people didn’t care and were part of the problem. The 60s weren’t mush fun either for gay people or women

All lives matter is a actually imo d right wing dog whistle.

I read this and thought it was a joke , then realised that these racists are for real.
One title in a newspaper here was, black families in the UK forbidden to eat gravy.
It was tongue in cheek but very close to the comments.
Is the UK not a big enough laughing stock at the moment without all this bullsh*t, please.

David’s at 15.59 you say in your post ‘blacks’ as a description of black people. I find that to be offensive and racist.

If this is true (where was it reported?) I suspect it’s only a tiny minority who are protesting.

I am as irritated as the next person with political correctness but I don’t think this comes under that category.

Davidhs

The question is should choice in any area be on merit, or to fill a quota, or just to be PC. At present almost all adverts will include black performers, purely because they will be criticized if they don’t. Blacks achieve in many areas, football has a representation way in excess of the population should we have positive representation in favor of whites ?, if not why not.
Boycotting any brand is ridiculous, it’s going to change nothing.

FFS - are you going for the hat trick today in the use of offensive language? There’s a few groups left yet for you to insult.

JenniferEccles

If this is true (where was it reported?) I suspect it’s only a tiny minority who are protesting.

I am as irritated as the next person with political correctness but I don’t think this comes under that category.

What next person is that JE ? think the phrase needs further defining as in ‘ the next right wing person’

Davidhs also said ‘whites’ Bluebellwould
Do you also find that racist and offensive?

I’m tired of it all if I dare to say it. We ALL matter. There’s good and bad people. That’s it. Nothing else comes into it.

Wasn't it sainsbury's who put out the bolshy statement telling people they were welcome to go elsewhere and they wouldn't be missed?
This was in advance of their blm drive.

JenniferEccles- do you genuinely not understand that 'blacks' has links to slavery and that 'whites' ran the world to the detriment of 'blacks' ?
I'm as irritated as the next person by the ridiculous use of phrases like 'political correctness' or words like 'woke'

I wouldn't mind but we're all Heinz 57's so what the problem is I don't know.
It's the fault of the media and those daft enough to be brainwashed by them. Anything to cause friction---the press love it ! Unfortunately so do millions of others. You've only to look at the violence that's abound.

The news showed that shopworkers are having a raw deal from the " free country " lunatics who are causing mayhem because they refuse to abide by the rules so start smashing the shops up when told to wear masks. Violence at the drop of a hat. This is an intolerant country in more ways than one.

The more I see people, the more I love my cats.

JenniferEccles

Davidhs also said ‘whites’ Bluebellwould
Do you also find that racist and offensive?

Bluebellwould can speak for herself, of course; but I find it offensive, just as I find calling people 'cripples', or 'gays', or whatever offensive. It is choosing one aspect about someone, and defining them in terms of that that is offensive. I am not 'a white' - I am 'a white woman', and my family are 'white people'.

Using skin colour as a noun is deeply offensive, IMO, whatever colour that skin happens to be.