Unbelievable

It drives me mad when I hear that old chestnut sarnia ‘all lives matter’ we know that but white lives have always mattered don’t you get it ?

We shouldn't even be discussing colour at all ! Why ? What does it matter ? Which brings me back to what I said earlier that too much attention is given to people in general.

If I heard someone referring to me and others as whites should I then be outraged that they missed off the word ‘people’ ?

I can honestly say it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest but obviously some others would take offence.

JenniferEccles

If I heard someone referring to me and others as whites should I then be outraged that they missed off the word ‘people’ ?

I can honestly say it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest but obviously some others would take offence.

I don't know that you 'should' feel anything - feelings aren't really like that - but I think that it's not too much to expect that you should understand why others might find it offensive, and you did ask.

I would also question why the speaker in your scenario was describing you as such. What is 'a white' if not someone who is being perceived as different from people who are not white. It so rarely matters if there is not to be discrimination of some kind. If there isn't, why would anyone need to know?

I also believe there are quotas for appearances in the media. In fact in articles I've read, I've seen advertising companies admit that they over compensate with their character choices to avoid any criticism. We now also have a preponderance of non white, non male comedians/guests on panel shows etc. many of whom are not remotely funny, witty or as interesting in the slightest as their traditional white male counterpoints. They are there to fill quotas and for shows and companies to be seen to be PC/woke so that means quality is not the main criteria any longer. All jobs should be given on merit alone.

Bluebellwould

David’s at 15.59 you say in your post ‘blacks’ as a description of black people. I find that to be offensive and racist.

It would have been better if I had written “Black People”.

I could have made the sin of saying “People of Colour” as Sally Nugent did in the Lewis Hamilton interview. The FA boss had to resign for that slip but I guess Sally is safe.

quizqueen

I also believe there are quotas for appearances in the media. In fact in articles I've read, I've seen advertising companies admit that they over compensate with their character choices to avoid any criticism. We now also have a preponderance of non white, non male comedians/guests on panel shows etc. many of whom are not remotely funny, witty or as interesting in the slightest as their traditional white male counterpoints. They are there to fill quotas and for shows and companies to be seen to be PC/woke so that means quality is not the main criteria any longer. All jobs should be given on merit alone.

You mean on merit like contracts are given to friends of Tory MPs and jobs given to wives of Tory MPs without any selection process? And lordships given to someone because he’s the PMs brother? That sort of merit? Hummmmm

That's not what he said David but dont let the facts get in the way.

Davidhs

Bluebellwould

David’s at 15.59 you say in your post ‘blacks’ as a description of black people. I find that to be offensive and racist.

It would have been better if I had written “Black People”.

I could have made the sin of saying “People of Colour” as Sally Nugent did in the Lewis Hamilton interview. The FA boss had to resign for that slip but I guess Sally is safe.

As ever David you got it wrong about the FA boss - would you like me to explain it to you because I would actually get it right (despite being a girl) . Don’t know about the SN issue but you probably got that wrong as well on the balance of probabilities

Galaxy

That's not what he said David but dont let the facts get in the way.

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Oy Suzie I beat you to it

Galaxy

Oy Suzie I beat you to it

But you didn’t offer to girlsplain the issue to him did you? So there.

So what did he say.

Are we correct referring to “People of Colour” or not

This. Is the press report I was referring to, it’s the word “Coloured” that is taboo

A few minutes later, DCMS committee member Kevin Brennan MP asked Clarke if he wished to withdraw the use of the word “coloured”.

“If I said it, I deeply apologise,” said Clarke, 63, after being prompted.

“I am a product of having worked overseas, in the USA for many years, where I was required to use the term ‘people of colour’ because that was a product of their diversity legislature. Sometimes I trip over my words.”

People of colour" is fine.
"Coloured people" is not

There you go, simple rule to work to.

And there were other issues in his submission.

I am a product of having worked overseas, in the USA for many years where I was required to use the term 'people of colour because that was a productoftheir diversity legislature. Sometimes trip over my words

As Algrias2 says, people of colour is good, 'coloured people' is not. It really isn't too difficult. Clarke didn't just trip over his words on this occasion. He made sweeping and incorrect judgements about the reasons people of Asian background are under represented in football. He made sweeping and ignorant comment about the representation of black players in football. I wonder why he thinks so many black players doesn't equate to more representation of black former players a coaches or as head of the FA.

The use of the word coloured is dangerous here is a comment from one academic.

“ To be described as “people of colour” feels like my identity is being tamed and made more palatable. My ethnicity and culture mean too much to me to hide them under the guise of “people of colour”.

Apparently PC language is moving on again, BAME is now the safest term to use.

I think BAME is on its way out as well Davidhs.
It's complicated but we can all only do our best to cause least offence.

David- look at the term ‘coloured’. It suggests that a ‘pure’ state (whiteness?) has been tainted or stained. The connotations are obvious.

Also, ‘coloured’ was a designated status under Apartheid and under Jim Crow laws in the US. It is not neutral.

To describe someone as ‘coloured’ is not at all the same as using ‘people of colour’.

I don’t know who the ‘one academic’ you mention might be, but (whilst they are entitled to it) it is one person’s view which is worth no more than anyone else’s - academic or not.

This thread started so well

Now I’m just sad

Sometimes things like this (the Twitter comments and 'boycott') backfire on those who start them, though. When their horrible attitudes are brought to the fore and can be seen for what they are, they attract criticism and people who might otherwise bury their heads in the sand read it all and start to form opinions.

This might be the case here, as Sainsbury's shoppers are obviously a diverse bunch, so the comments will have a wider reach than more 'niche' teacup storms.

Here’s a link to the advert in question for anyone who hasn’t seen it yet:

www.delish.com/uk/food-news/a34709848/sainsburys-christmas-advert-racist-comments-statement/

BlueBelle

It drives me mad when I hear that old chestnut sarnia ‘all lives matter’ we know that but white lives have always mattered don’t you get it ?

Hear hear.

I think I might boycott Sainsbury's. Not because the advert features a black family but because it is such a terrible advert. Doesn't evoke the Christmas spirit in me at all.