Rather pay than give in

I'm another one who is just of the getting on with it mindset.
Not happy about leaving, but resigned to the fact.

When I was teaching the EU was a compulsory topic in Primary Seven. There was so much more to it than just trade deals. It wasn't the easiest of topic to teach, but very interesting.
I always started the topic with this statement:
After two catastrophic world wars, the European leaders decided that the only way of preventing war in Europe was to start to cooperate.

If only that was the case nowadays.

I'm back to being concerned about my son's medication. Especially epilepsy medication because despite the wishful thinking of the idiots in charge, it cannot be safely brand swapped.

And meanwhile Johnson & backers will be cashing in bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

I take comfort from (1) the knowledge that history will judge this the worst government ever and Johnson the worst PM and (2) my kids are half Irish so will be able to retain freedom of movement. Particularly important for one of them who is working in an industry where FoM is a necessity.

I'm stuffed passport wise, but couldn't go anywhere anyway.

Oh, I know there is little I can do about it, and decisions have been made, but it doesn't stop me being angry about it, especially when some still seem to be under the misapprehension that it is all being done for the best of the UK. Still eventually the penny will drop, eventually Johnson will be seen for the liar and charlatan that he is, probably too late though. This period in history will be a module on Modern History degree courses; Trumpism, Brexit, Johnson, corruption under cover of the covid19 crisis, Bolsanaro etc. Could be interesting to learn about, but considerably less interesting to live through.

But we'll manage!

Quite jane. Bleating about it won't alter anything - which I and others said way up there.

And can we stop putting the country down. It smacks of giving up.

(And, I voted to remain and I get my news from all sorts of places - not the gutter press)

“I do not love in a holiday or retirement expat colony- I speak the language, and I read the Press and watch local TV.”

Biba - snap! And I repeat my earlier comment that the Brexit moaning is coming from the Brits who played the systems for years, rather than my Spanish neighbours.

For the record, my knowledge is recent, as I was there for ten weeks in the summer - I doubt you trot around your neighbourhood on a weekly basis looking for updates to back up your political leanings!

Yeah sod additional seizures and increased risk of SUDEP. Sink or swim/survival of the fittest in this brave new U.K.

Johnson can’t stop smirking every time he talks of no deal (moved on from the Australian solution to wonderful opportunity now) - thinking of the money it’s going to make him & his backers.

Billionaires going to billionaire.

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I don’t see anything to be proud of about the U.K. at the moment. We’re a xenophobic inward looking nation with delusions of grandeur based on a (brutal) colonial past. All the aspects of the U.K. that I liked are going. Including I suspect Northern Ireland soon - which is a part of the U.K. I am rather fond of.

Xenophobia is exactly what Brexit is about Lucca.

Oh give over! We are no more ( probably a lot less) xenophobic than France, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Poland etc etc.
The thing that British people do best though (world beating! As Johnson might say) is doing down their own countries and
Revelling in gloomy prophecies.Why, God knows.

Spot on lemongrove.
I heard recently that English is the only language uses the phrase 'get a grip'. Time we did.

A lot more shouty xenophobia around now than there was 5 years ago though.

We had a bloody minister giving some racist tripe in an interview earlier.

‘Get a grip.’

I’ll remember that if my son can’t get his medication.

I'm sure he will get his medication. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. ie worrying in advance won't help

If the EU prevent the UK from getting vital medication they really will be showing their true colours

Well we shall see. I too voted remain but of course accept the referendum result.
Let us hope that that supplies of medicines will not be affected.
My husband & daughter have life threatening conditions that rely on medication. I can easily choose to eat British cheese & drink new world wine, sadly they do not have that choice.

How can you be sure?

GrannyGravy the EU wouldn’t be the issue. They’re not out to kill U.K. citizens (the cronyism in our govt is pretty good at that). Queues at ports and the just in time supply chain is the concern.

‘We’ are xenophobic, trotting out stereotypes about other countries, which even if they were true would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. There’s a huge difference between being proud of your country and actually believing it is ‘better’ in some way than others.

Some huge world influencers and inventors are British and we should be proud of what they’ve done, but equally many horrendous atrocities have been committed by British people, and we should be ashamed and atoning for their actions - I think in ten years time that’s exactly how we will view our inglorious exit from the EU.

I would like to ask those of you complaining bitterly about the prospect (and don’t forget it is only a prospect at the moment) of no deal being secured, if you would prefer a bad deal?

It seems a daft question but it appears that is what a lot of you appear to want.

“A deal no Prime Minister would agree to “ is what Boris said to describe the deal they expect us to swallow.

Is that honestly what you would settle for?

GrannyGravy13

If the EU prevent the UK from getting vital medication they really will be showing their ^true colours^

I am not entirely sure what solace this will offer to those who require life saving medication?

Bad deal or no deal makes little difference given what is on offer.

I suspect I would rather like Johnson’s backers definition of a terrible deal (Norway). But that wouldn’t satisfy the flag wavers or ERG so has never been a realistic option.

Casdon

‘We’ are xenophobic, trotting out stereotypes about other countries, which even if they were true would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. There’s a huge difference between being proud of your country and actually believing it is ‘better’ in some way than others.

Some huge world influencers and inventors are British and we should be proud of what they’ve done, but equally many horrendous atrocities have been committed by British people, and we should be ashamed and atoning for their actions - I think in ten years time that’s exactly how we will view our inglorious exit from the EU.

Along with many horrendous atrocities that were committed by French, Belgian, German etc etc people Casdon?
Ashamed and atoning for their actions?

It’s a form of virtue signalling, this breast beating attitude about the UK and peculiar to the UK.
Also it has nothing to do with the thread. In ten years time we will probably be relieved that we exited the EU .....they have many problems of their own.

GrannyGravy13

If the EU prevent the UK from getting vital medication they really will be showing their ^true colours^

If Boris & Co prevent the UK from getting vital medication, what wil they be showing.

Not virtue signalling. I am embarrassed to be British (not something I felt before this government).

I’m reminded of the Canadians I met when travelling. They always wore Canadian flag badges so people knew they weren’t American.