Rather pay than give in

Elegran

I hope it is made clear that not ALL over 65s voted to leave the EU That is clear from the balance on Gransnet being in favour of remaining. Those who rant at ALL the age group are ignoring those who have always argued logically and vehemently that it would be better to stay - and produced far more factual and reasoned arguments than the leavers.

Unfortunately, they were shafted by the over 65s, who voted 60% to leave and the 55-64 year olds, who voted 57% to leave. What an appalling legacy.

Obviously we are blamed en masse, Elegran.
Over 65? You should be taken out and shot at dawn.

No-one wants to take responsibility for themselves, it's so easy to blame others.

I hope you are equally cross with the 50 year olds Callistemon who turned out in about the same proportion as 18-24 year olds.

All of our extended family who were entitled to vote from the twentysomethings to the seventy somethings did turn out in force and not one of uz voted for this brexit nonsense. .

You asked why people keep going on and on about this Jane10.

This is the worst political decision of my lifetime. We are walking out on the most successful political partnership there has ever been in Europe. The people who have enabled this talk about sovereignty, trade deals and so on as though they have a deep knowledge of such things, when very often they are basing their ideas on what the biased and self-interested press has told them.

But, due to Cameron’s hubris, we got a decision from the UK electorate to leave the EU. In my view, the worst decision ever, but in a democracy you have to go with it. We could have left on good terms with the EU, stayed in the Single Market and so on but no, for the last 4 ½ years incompetent or self serving governments have led us to the brink, blaming the people who used to be our allies and today, actually getting the gunboats ready.

So I’ll go on talking about it forever. That’s all that’s left and just putting up and shutting up is not an option. This is not something that we can put right at the next election, when we realise that we’ve made a wrong decision. The US were able to get rid of Trump but the UK are stuck with this disaster forever. So when we talk about it on here, and get told “you lost, get over it, this is what we voted for, Buy British, remember the war….”, that’s not going to happen.

Cue people to twist my words, poke fun and tell me I’m a loser who doesn’t understand democracy.....

Here here Alegrias. So many of us realise how much damage has resulted from the fraudulent referendum. The crooks and liars who inflicted this damage on our country. must be brought to account. They cannot run away from their responsibilities forever.

The older people who voted Leave ( and the younger ones who voted Leave too!) did not ‘shaft’ anybody, what ridiculous language!
They took part in a referendum.
Do all Labour voters think that those who voted Conservative
‘Shafted’ them in the last GE?
Both were democratic votes. Accept it and move on.

You are an intelligent woman lemon and your last post does you no credit. Labour and conservative voters have always had to get over it when their party fails to win an election, but this disaster will have a long term impact on our economy and our standing in the world as everyone sees us being led by an incompetent liar. This is not a right wing/left wing issue as you well know. As for accepting it and getting on with my life, that is not only unlikely, it will be very difficult as the impact of what Brexiteers have brought upon us becomes apparent. Any news yet on the red bus with the £350m a week for the NHS or are we meant to just forget that and get on with our lives?

Nezumi65

I hope you are equally cross with the 50 year olds Callistemon who turned out in about the same proportion as 18-24 year olds.

They are the young

We are walking out on the most successful political partnership there has ever been in Europe

I think that that is the problem in a nutshell Algerias

Most people I know who did vote leave (and they are well-educated, thoughtful people who have a wealth of experience) wanted a close alliance with Europe for trade, exchange of ideas, collaboration and exchange of information but not a political union.

Educated, experienced or not, they made the wrong decision for the UK Callistemon . No question about it, and history will judge them and other Leave voters badly.

Sometimes things are just right or wrong and opinions don't come into it, and this is one of those things.

Sometimes things are just right or wrong and opinions don't come into it, and this is one of those things.

In your opinion.

merlotgran

^Sometimes things are just right or wrong and opinions don't come into it, and this is one of those things.^

In your opinion.

Yes.

The only person I know who voted leave was a dim racist who is now dead. Anecdotal evidence.

Yes, anecdotal.

The people I know are people with degrees (some PhDs) who have a lot of experience of industry and the world outside the EU. Not racist in the slightest.

I listened but made up my own mind to vote remain.

I’m sure you all know that one of the most telling statistical breakdowns, apart from age, is the educational qualifications of those who voted remain and leave - 68% of people with degree level qualification voted remain, 70% with GSCE only or lower qualifications voted leave. I don’t think that’s something that this country should be proud of.

Referendum stats: 70% of people who are not educated beyond GCSE (or equivalent) level voted leave with 68% of those with degrees voting remain.

Hence the ease with which this has been linked to populism and class war.

My husband's best man is a highly educated leave voter, but he's always been a right wing Thatcherite headbanging anti Europe type. He's Libertarian really so maybe not a surprise.

Having said that the one Libertarian voter (American) I know thinks that Brexit is hilariously insane.

Oh lol Casdon

(American)

We can disregard what he thinks then

Alegrias2- I know!!! It's just that it's done. It's a matter of making the best of it rather than going on and on about what's wrong with Brexit!

They'll still be chuntering on and on for years Jane10.

Shit happens, Alegrias.
We have to turn it into manure.

I wasn’t allowed to vote.
Certain people voted to leave and then immediately applied for an EU passport. I, finally after so many years, when I never gave it a thought as I was a European and comfortable with that, had to apply for one. I felt like a traitor.
Now, I could be paying my taxes to attack EU boats on the one hand and on the other paying my taxes to protect them

No British boat is going to attack a European fishing boat.

Maybe not attacked but money is going to be wasted.

Yes Callistemon they will be chuntering on ( from a sedentary position) for years to come.
It was a democratic vote .....whatever anyone thinks of the decision to hold a referendum.
It was four years ago, we have now left and have more to worry us in the form of Covid and the economy because of Covid, as have most other countries.
People do need to move on, or spend the years they have left (!) in bitter arguments.

Casdon & Nazumi65
Your both a bit late to the party with the sneering in regards to voters qualifications.
We heard much worse 4 years ago on this site. Water off a ducks back to all of us. You'll both have to come up with something more original than that old chestnut.