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Witzend Mon 11-Jan-21 07:44:52

Front page headline in today’s Times: ‘Shops told to get tough on the Covid rule breakers.’

I dare say I’ve posted before about people in shops wearing masks under their noses or on their chins, or not at all with no lanyard, and nobody ever saying anything. Or at least not that I’ve ever seen.

Only yesterday a young bloke just ahead of me at the checkout at the Sainsbury’s local, was wearing his mask under his nose, and a young couple strolled in, neither wearing either mask or lanyard.

The placard outside says customers ‘are required to wear a mask unless you’re exempt or have a reasonable excuse.’
Far too lame IMO. In France the signs say ‘Masks obligatory’ -
no messing.

vampirequeen Mon 11-Jan-21 07:49:38

Same goes for South Africa. You have to wear a mask anytime you're outside. Makes much more sense. No ambiguity. If you're in your house it's OK but step over the threshold and you need a mask.

We're too wishy washy here.

Calendargirl Mon 11-Jan-21 07:56:23

Shops told to get tough on the Covid rule breakers

Too little, too late. Won’t happen. It should have been strictly enforced from the start of mask wearing, but it wasn’t, so what is supposed to happen now? Will an assistant at the supermarket door ban non mask wearers from stepping over the threshold?

Don’t think so.

Witzend Mon 11-Jan-21 08:02:08

Well, bus drivers around here won’t let anyone on without a mask (or an official lanyard) so I don’t see why the same couldn’t apply to shops.
A big burly bouncer-type at the door would help, though I dare say they don’t all have one of those to spare.

janeainsworth Mon 11-Jan-21 08:11:30

I think the trouble is Witzend that those selfish individuals intent on ignoring the rules know very well that the shops have neither the legal powers nor the physical
muscle to undertake enforcement.
It’s all very well telling shops to ‘get tough’ but as employers they have a duty of care to employees to provide a safe working environment and confronting recalcitrant rule-breakers and escorting them out of the shop if necessary perhaps isn’t part of the job description.

Oldwoman70 Mon 11-Jan-21 08:17:59

I think we have all seen those who enter supermarkets without masks, without using the hand sanitiser and in groups of 3 or 4 (despite notices and announcements asking people to shop alone where possible).

In my local Sainsburys they have an assistant sitting at a table just inside the door but no effort is made to ask people to put on masks or to remind them to use the hand sanitiser. I don't blame the assistant (it's usually a young girl) but why don't they use the "security" guards who stand around inside?

monk08 Mon 11-Jan-21 08:18:05

Selfish people will always do what they want I've seen many as soon as they enter the shop slip the mask down. Surely if you can't wear a mask you should wear a shield. If you dont wear either then you shouldn't be out.

Viridian Mon 11-Jan-21 08:21:59

Here, in south Cornwall, the bus drivers won't let you on without a mask or lanyard. Otherwise most people are wearing masks, except the tourists, of which there are still quite a few around, maybe they're second home owners. They stand out by a mile! And our Covid numbers are increasing. I do hope more stringent measures are brought in.

Bathsheba Mon 11-Jan-21 08:26:23

According to my cousin who lives in Spain, during the first lockdown you weren't allowed into any shop if you weren't wearing a mask. No exemptions. I can't imagine that Spain doesn't have people with any of the conditions that allow exemption in the UK hmm

I think we're far too lily-livered here.

Witzend Mon 11-Jan-21 08:31:11

I dare say one reason they are so lax about enforcement here, is that unlike in so many countries, including within Europe, the majority (NB I do say a majority) of people aren’t wary of the police. They’re not afraid of a minor infringement resulting in a duffing-up - or worse.

For many years a dd worked for a major charity abroad, always with a very multi-national selection of colleagues. She once told me how a conversation got on to police in general, and she said how when she was a child, if she got lost or was worried or frightened, etc., and she saw a police officer, to go to them at once.
Without exception, everyone else from the multi-national (inc. European) crew said that was the last thing they’d ever do, their police were all dodgy bastards! (I’m sure that’s a gross exaggeration, but that was the general sentiment.)

Riverwalk Mon 11-Jan-21 08:34:58

The supermarkets have made huge profits during Covid it's not unreasonable for them to employ security guards - along the lines that clubs and bars are required to (in normal times).

As far as I understand things, a shop or any business can deny entry to anyone as long as it's not discriminatory on ground of sex, race, disability, etc. Someone who is genuinely exempt would have the exempt lanyard.

I've been on the Tube a few times recently and most passengers are compliant but the one thing that so bugs me are those few who have it under the chin, almost always men. If they were exempt they wouldn't have one, so they have just used to get through the barriers and onto the platform. The presence of Transport Police wouldn't go amiss - needless to say they are nowhere to be seen.

BlueBelle Mon 11-Jan-21 08:50:39

I do think it depends on the area it’s very rare to see anyone not wearing a mask in shops in my area I have seen a bus driver tell a chap to put his mask on which he immediately did I haven’t seen any one on the buses without but I do think this lanyard thing is a bit of a red herring I think many are unnecessary and I think that was a big mistake and yes I think people should be challenged at the door and not allowed in that was one of many big mistakes the government made
The charity shop I was in was told don’t challenge anyone encourage them to wear a mask but if they don’t there’s nothing you can do !!!

Witzend Mon 11-Jan-21 08:53:57

I see just as many women with masks under their nose, inc. one on the bus the other day, wearing it on her chin, and jabbering away 19 to the dozen to whoever she was with.

I dare say I’ve said this before, but for the first time ever, I did say something as I was getting off - ‘It’s no use wearing a mask unless it covers your nose!’

‘Oh, I know, but I can’t - it steams up my glasses.’

What the answer is to people like that, I don’t know - maybe a hefty fine would sort their ideas out, but I can’t see that happening here.

Lucca Mon 11-Jan-21 09:07:43

I just checked and in Italy masks are compulsory anywhere outside your home and in the usual closed spaces like shops for all except children under 6 plus people with conditions that prevent them from wearing one. Maybe if we did that it would stop some people wandering around town !

Charleygirl5 Mon 11-Jan-21 09:19:58

I complained to an M&S floor manager last week because a girl in her 20's was not wearing a mask. She said they were not allowed to approach anybody about wearing masks but she said I could!
I did not really fancy doing that because some people can become violent.
Where I live, some of the small shops have a notice outside- no mask, no custom. Very fair.

Ilovecheese Mon 11-Jan-21 09:27:00

Don't forget though, that a bus driver was killed when he was trying to enforce mask wearing on his bus. It is not up to shop staff to enforce anything, that is a job for the police.

PollyDolly Mon 11-Jan-21 09:31:37

Tesco are a joke now as far as Covid is concerned! During the first lockdown they "policed" the wiping of trolley handles and gelling of hands before customers were allowed in the store; not one gets challenged for not wearing a mask or gelling hands.

Elegran Mon 11-Jan-21 10:01:39

Decades ago, laws were passed making it an offence to drop litter in the street. That wasn't strictly enforced either, so the streets have got worse and worse. When reminded that they should be taking their rubbish home, instead of letting it fall at their feet, people have been known to say. "I pay my rates. Someone is employed to pick that up."

Presumabnly those who won't wear a mask in a crowded place assume that someone else will suffer, not them, so they don't need to take any precautions.

Aepgirl Mon 11-Jan-21 10:08:59

I’m sure most people can wear a mask for about 10 minutes. My chiropodist treated a young man who said he couldn’t wear one - she asked him to give it a try, kept chatting to him during his treatment, and he was able to wear his mask for 30 minutes. He was delighted, and thanked her profusely for putting his mind at rest.

Grannytwoshoes Mon 11-Jan-21 10:11:38

Quite right! It should be If you don’t have mask you don’t go in...those desperate for their packet of fags will soon get used to putting on masks!

olliebeak Mon 11-Jan-21 10:13:23

One of the reasons that masks were not made Mandatory from the start of Lockdown One, was that there weren't actually enough of them around for EVERYBODY to have them - it took quite a few weeks for them to become readily accessible.

By that time, the 'Print-at home Exemption Certificates' had become so common place, that everybody and his dog's uncle had got them .................... whether, or not, they had a genuine need.

Once those two precedents had been set, it was nigh-on impossible to go back on them.

Makes my blood boil!

Juicylucy Mon 11-Jan-21 10:18:21

I franchise in one off the large supermarket chains in South east and the manager will stand and talk to his staff whilst he’s wearing a mask and his staff are not. I’ve reported it to HO.We have a security guy on the door but he’s been instructed not to confront people who are not wearing one. My local Asda has a lady on there door handing out masks to people attempting to walk in without one, this seems to be working.

harrigran Mon 11-Jan-21 10:18:25

In some countries it is mandatory to wear a mask when out of your own home. DD's commune handed out medical quality masks to all households, they could not use the excuse that they did not have one.

Sarnia Mon 11-Jan-21 10:26:43

I have reconciled myself to the fact that our country is far too slow and slack to implement anything sensible. According to Boris, he isn't keen on a curfew because it isn't British!!!???

Rosie51 Mon 11-Jan-21 10:28:02

I'd not be allowing any exceptions, you wear a mask or you don't come in. If someone's health issues are such that they can't wear a mask for the duration of a shop, then they're far too vulnerable to be out and about in a pandemic, especially now we have this new more easily transmitted variant.