The changing face of Gransnet?

biba to keep dissing things in the UK without ever commenting on what’s going right or things you like about it
Is bound to lead to general upset, and yet you keep doing it.
If you can deal with any flak from that point of view then fine, but it seem that you can’t.I have read many farewell posts from you in the past and then you return and do exactly the same.
This thread wasn’t about you .....it was about the hopeful reinstatement of a much liked poster who has had to leave, simply for questioning another poster’s words in my view. Also to question why it appears to be so easy to leave some unpleasant comments standing and other less so ones pulled from a thread.

trisher

It is not presenting a different point of view to tell someone they musn't run down the UK because they don't live there.

I never have so I have no need to apologise.

It's the stream of deliberately provocative doom-laden threads which are depressing.
If anyone disagrees then they are unfairly reported for bullying.

I should remember - my device has an off switch or there are the knitting threads.

I know this whole thread will soon be pulled, but hope it will be read and thought about and hopefully a few changes put in place.Being a mod can’t be easy, but clearer rules would help.
For instance ‘not in the spirit of GN’ is pretty meaningless, it sounds as if all posts should be helpful, supportive and beyond criticism.

What is ^the spirit of GN?

I would like to voice my concern as to the inconsistency of the 'rules' .

Posts were deleted in the kitchen after posters asked after someone who had been posting there for YEARS!! Most of the kitchen posters know each other through years of interaction so not an unheard of thing to show concern.

YET --- A missing poster from the good morning thread can be asked after, it can be speculated where that poster is etc etc.

Pick one side of the fence GNHQ - that's all I'm asking. If something is banned it is banned for all ---- unless you're playing favourites?

Just asking.

This whole thread has in my opinion changed beyond what it started out as so a perfect example of how quickly changes can happen
The question was in my opinions a very generalised one talking about all changes not just ones related to any particular poster or any particular topic
Suddenly it has changed into a very single minded problem

Can this thread which I thought was really useful be brought back to where it started, away from an individual or minority posters problems’ into a more generalised view of the forum and the forums problems including over zealous moderation please

Galaxy

I loathe this government, loathe them. This is not anti British rhetoric.

You are not alone in your views, Galaxy but from what I have read so far - all 18 pages! - this is not a pro- or anti - Brexit or pro- or anti- government thread.
Few people equate anti-government with anti- nation surely?
If they did, I would have been antiAmerican for the last 4 years , which I hasten to add I certainly was not!
Anyway if they do, that is their (misguided) opinion.
I thought this was a thread about moderation -lack thereof or heavy handed moderation of the site and up to a couple of pages ago, the discussion has been positive and perfectly reasonable.
Bullying?
Hounding?
I’m not getting that from easily 90% of the posts.

Never could do sums, I realise there have been over 450 posts - can I change my % to 99.9% ?

I read a lot of this thread yesterday but didn't comment last night. I can't really comment on the changing face of GN as I've only a couple of weeks visits to compare. I have reported a comment I received as I considered it an unwarranted snide remark. GNHQ declined it saying the comment was part of the debate and not to take it personally.

Biba70, I agree with: but personal attacks and 'ah but you were not born here and you live elsewhere', on a repeated basis- then yes, it does become hounding, bullying and totally discriminatory.

Yes, this mocking is hurtful.

You say you are upset, then why do you do it? The other week someone's user name was commented on in a mocking and way. You and others were amongst those doing it. She asked for it to stop but someone had to give one more comment. That was you.

One comment I read from one side of a division was "I feel like I'm in the dock. Fielding questions from all corners". She was then goaded a few times because they were waiting for answers. Not exactly an equal division!

GN lets this continue.

It seems we have to grin and bear GNHQ monitoring as well as those who spoil the enjoyment GN can bring.

I've said my bit. I'm off to the kitchen and then the bar.

Oh dear. It looks like it could be pulled now

I hope not - I haven't read it all yet. No idea who has left because they were upset.
Apart from biba.

I have no idea what guidelines GNHQ moderators use. It would be useful if they will had access to the same ones though?

I have made some very good friends through GN, some I have met in real life, some I doubt I will ever meet. I do think the last year has heightened emotions, the combination of Brexit and Covid has the makings of a perfect storm.

I tend not to take myself seriously and thereby do not take GN very seriously, I use it as a tool to converse with people who like me are being denied their pre Covid existence.

When GN becomes the centre of ones universe I think it then becomes the problem not the solution.

Very wise words GG

This thread has deviated from the original discussion, which is what often happens. That's what makes GN so interesting.
However, it's seems to have become centred on one particular poster and her view that she is being constantly bullied. It has detracted from all the issues we are concerned about.

•Lack of consistency in moderation.
•What exactly does In the spirit of GN mean?
•Why are some posters favoured over others?
•Expressing concern for another poster, even without any speculation, is not allowed.
•Asking about another poster is allowed, without any sanctions on the GM thread, but not the Kitchen,
•A poster just has to cry bully and the post is often deleted immediately, without the offending poster being able to offer an explanation for their comment.
•Are lifetime bans necessary?
•There is no right of appeal
•Do a small minority of posters conspire/collude to get another poster banned?

Thank you "Mary*

ditto Marydoll

From some of the attacks on this thread, it would seem that the spirit of gransnet is viciousness.

I wouldn't mind, if as on the political threads, it was interesting viciousness, but to be honest, despite being bored rigid with lockdown, the constant picking and nastiness is just boring. Most of the time, Mumsnet is more interesting these days.

I’ve been on GN for many years and I have noticed that a lot of the humour and fun seems to have disappeared. Those are, usually, the only topics I dare to comment on. I would never post on anything political and once posted about a family problem and got jumped on from a great height.
I would hate to be a moderator. “ Damned if you do and damned if you don’’t. “
.

I think one of the problems is members having their own WhatsApp groups or emailing each other. It can mean as a group they can dominate a thread which can come across as ganging up or bullying just because they have already discussed a subject privately and are all in aggreance.

GagaJo If what you say were true - that the true spirit of Gransnety is viciousness - then the vast majority of posters should have been banned long ago for not being "in the spirit of Gransnet". It is only a few posts by a few posters which are hurtful - not all their posts, and bt no means all posters.

No, that isn't it, CornishPatsy It is quite possible for a group to meet up, PM each other and have Whatsapp and Zoom groups without any one of them behaving so.

You have put that very well, Marydoll.
I think we need clarification, not woolly statements such as "not in the spirit" as a poster upthread said.

Sorry GNHQ that does not answer a lot of our questions.
Why cant we have a properly written list of the rules you want us to stick to?
Asking about posters who are missing on one thread is allowed but not on another why?
Why is one poster banned for seemingly innocuous comments yet others who get very personal not?
Why do we not have a right of appeal against GNHQ decisions?
That is just for starters, I am sure there will be other questions!
Now if you want to delete me please go ahead I for one am sick of being treated like a little old dear who should keep quiet and get on with mt knitting!

I will take you up on one point GNHQ. If you rely on us reporting posts it is also feasible that certain posters can constantly report one particular poster, bringing them to your attention, and in that way succeeding in having them banned.