Is it legal ?

I have read all replies and I thank you for taking the time out to give me your views....

Appreciate them all.....

I am in a support bubble with my DD & family, we have been in each others houses throughout lockdowns, both DD & myself have to go shopping with all the necessary precautions

Last week I came out of Hospital after 11 days, non Covid admission. I was tested 4 times in that time, all tests were negative. Unfortunately whilst on the Ward 2 patients tested positive for Covid, I was not in any contact with them. My DD was allowed to bring me home wearing a mask & I had to sit in the back of the car behind the passenger seat with the windows open.

I am in self isolation for 14 days, DD does not have to self isolate, all information was from the Infection Control at the Hospital.

I have had District Nurses coming in every day to change dressings, I am not required to wear a mask as I am in my own home, they wear PPE. I sanitize door handles & anywhere else they may have touched once they've left.

I think you have to weigh up the risks for yourself & your family

I wouldn't.as they could bring the virus in from outside.

netflixfan yes

I agree with the ones who say wait. I’ve never understood this bubble thing, if the bubblers go to work or out and about. Couldn’t they bring COVID to the vulnerable person?

My bubble (just eldest son) celebrated my birthday with me yesterday and ordered a lovely ‘posh’ takeaway. This contact was no different than his usual weekly visit other than I normally do the cooking ?

sweetcakes

I thought you are allowed only one person from you bubble inside your house at any time! Plus do you really want the police knocking on your door.

That’s incorrect. And why on earth would the police be knocking on her door? A support bubble is treated as one household.

Serendipity only wanted to know if the birthday meal within her bubble is legal, and it is. Only she knows her family circumstances, so she can probably do her own risk assessment.

Since LD2 we have reverted to having our DGS once a week and doing the school run for our DGD the same. But they are dropped off at the door and either collected from our door or we deliver them to theirs. Our DD and DSiL , who both work at local hospitals do not come in. It was my birthday a couple of weeks ago. Presents were left in my porch . We have not celebrated any birthdays together since last March. You can only do what you think best. There is no certainty that your DC are not incubating the disease or are asymptomatic. Whatever you do , remember to take care and take every precaution you can.

Gwyneth

To be honest I think you are putting yourself at risk whether it is allowed or not. Can’t the birthday party be postponed until another time?

I understand that Captain Sir Tom was in hospital being treated for pneumonia, so assumed he caught it in there. Personally I don’t want to be in a bubble with my grandchildren because I am scared of catching COVID. I am surprised so many people think that this is okay. I wouldn’t risk being around them at all.

LuckyFour

We have been in a bubble with our daughter and family but our son-in-law got covid. He had only met outside with a neighbour accidentally and had a brief chat and it turns out the neighbour had the virus but didn't know it at that point.
Luckily son-in-law has now recovered more or less. I'm not a happy mum-in-law.

For you two to have been in a bubble at all with them in the first place, Luckyfour, they would have to have a child under 1. Perhaps they do though.

Madwoman11

Yes it is legal if you live alone you can form a bubble with another household, and can even sleep over and hug each other.

Correct.

We are in a bubble with a neighbour. We neither socialise or work with anyone she socialises with no one but us.
We have some meals with her but none of us work or come close to anyone else.
That is how I interpret a bubble. If I had to do childcare I would expect the child to be passed over at the door, not to spend anything but the briefest time with anyone who was coming into contact with others.

My D is the only bubble I've got, but-----she works, looks after GC and also goes shopping. One thing's laughing at another really because her job is facing people at border control, mixing with colleagues etc. Then she visits me ?

What would I have done otherwise if she'd steered clear from visiting ?

It is legal if your family are in your support bubble because you live alone.
If they are in a childcare bubble with you its for "childcare" and that's all.

The question is, is it sensible or fair to those in the NHS?
I would say go ahead as long as you can look all the doctors and nurses that are exhausted, in the eye and tell them you had a birthday tea. We have been told to take some personal responsibility rather than trying to work our way around the rules.

Most people by now have had a lockdown birthday so its not such a big deal so you are in good company.

But if you simply follow the rule that you must treat everyone as potentially infectious (including yourself) then this is much clearer than the government rules. It all becomes very simple then.

If you live alone and DD and her children, (your GC), are your bubble then they can have them in your house. If you look after children from other households then you don't really have a bubble.

There seems to be some confusion here between support bubbles and childcare bubbles, they are not the same thing. A support bubble has to be a single person, or single parent with young children. A childcare bubble is one solely for the purposes of providing childcare during working hours. You can have one or both, but only one of each.

If your daughter is a single parent, then if you are in a support bubble with her you are effectively one household. You can see of much as of each other as you wish and spend overnight with each other. You could certainly enjoy a birthday meal together, I hope DH or DD might cook it for you to give you a rest!

In the case of a childcare bubble, if there is a SiL in the picture too, then in theory you could only have the meal during working hours whilst looking after the children.

The responses to this query prove to me how confused everybody is.

I am in a bubble with my daughter and family and they were here for lunch yesterday. They come every fortnight for Sunday lunch. I don't see a problem with that. I had Christmas day with them also.

We have been in a bubble with our daughter and family but our son-in-law got covid. He had only met outside with a neighbour accidentally and had a brief chat and it turns out the neighbour had the virus but didn't know it at that point.
Luckily son-in-law has now recovered more or less. I'm not a happy mum-in-law.

My daughter is 40 this month , lives 90 miles away, in our bubble, works from hoe, lives alone done everything right! We are going to her house for her birthday , house, car, house !
If Boris and his entourage can go to Scotland I can go to my girl’s birthday !

I’m not sure what the difference is between feeding a family and having a birthday meal .......... other than maybe cake (skip the candles cos of the ‘spit’ in blowing them out)!

Yes it's legal for you to have a meal with your bubble. I have been doing so with my bubble, until recently. My bubble started with my two adult children because I am a full time carer for my husband and felt I needed a support bubble. However recently I started to realise that I was spending far too much time with them for non support reasons and thought it might not be a good idea to continue. Both my husband and I have underlying health conditions. So after Christmas Day I announced to the family that we would be physically staying away from them and the grandchildren until we felt it wise to mix again. We have gotten round missing them by having a weekly extended family Zoom gathering. These have been great fun and allow us to mix safely. I know I can go to their house if it's really necessary and they could come here if I need assistance. Maybe zoom gatherings is something you could consider for birthdays.

Never mind legal - do what is safe!!

Honestly, as we can see our way to safer times, I'd not risk it now (hours indoors together). Arrange with everyone to have an 'official' birthday this year - pick a day in high summer and have a get together that is at least partly outside. People might actually enjoy that more too WIN/WIN!