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Fennel Mon 08-Feb-21 17:30:58

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/police-issue-lake-district-warning-rescuer-fall-covid-lockdown
I'm not easily wound up, but this makes me so angry angry.
This kind of thing used to happen in our days of walking in the Lakes, stupid walkers thinking all they need is a mobile phone to call for help. ie brave volunteers to put thei lives at risk for them.
But during Covid lockdown, and in this weather - I'm almost speechless.

Luckygirl Mon 08-Feb-21 17:35:13

Dear me - that is so sad. Such thoughtless people; and such selfless rescuers, who have paid the price of other's idiocy.

EllanVannin Mon 08-Feb-21 17:37:06

Makes me furious too. Besides being utterly brainless what makes people do these selfish acts ? I hope they're forced to pay their fines as well.

Septimia Mon 08-Feb-21 17:38:54

I agree.

I know that the man they went to rescue genuinely thought he was ill but, of course, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.

The £200 fines are totally inadequate and the two men should feel very guilty about being responsible for the injuries to the Mountain Rescue member. If they don't at the very least make generous donations to the Mountain Rescue and profound apologies they should be ashamed of themselves.

DillytheGardener Mon 08-Feb-21 18:15:36

Life changing injuries, I hate to think what happened to that poor man. Stupid fools, wish the rescuers had left them there to perish instead .

Emelle Mon 08-Feb-21 18:32:49

I love the Lakes and go as often as possible (when allowed) but on my legitimate visits last year, I was irritated by the behaviour of many of the visitors. It was obvious that many of them were not regular visitors to the Lakes and there as an alternative to their usual continental holiday. Put simply they just didn't know the etiquette of walking, awareness of other people or the way to be safe on the Fells. It wouldn't surprise me if inexperience has lead to this tragic story. I wish the member of Patterdale Mountain Rescue the best recovery possible.

EkwaNimitee Mon 08-Feb-21 18:57:41

We’ve been suffering with these idiots visiting the Lakes for the best part of a year now. An accident like this was bound to happen sooner or later I suppose with people ignoring advice and warnings from the Mountain Rescue people. Only last week one of the latter commented that he himself would not go up on the high fells in current circumstances.
The fines were inadequate for the incident. Personally, I think a prison sentence is appropriate when breaking COVID rules causes this sort of dreadful consequence.

Namsnanny Mon 08-Feb-21 19:03:13

I wonder why they havent been named in the article?

Doodledog Mon 08-Feb-21 19:19:23

Emelle

I love the Lakes and go as often as possible (when allowed) but on my legitimate visits last year, I was irritated by the behaviour of many of the visitors. It was obvious that many of them were not regular visitors to the Lakes and there as an alternative to their usual continental holiday. Put simply they just didn't know the etiquette of walking, awareness of other people or the way to be safe on the Fells. It wouldn't surprise me if inexperience has lead to this tragic story. I wish the member of Patterdale Mountain Rescue the best recovery possible.

I will never forget an incident a few years ago when my husband was walking in the Lakes. He knows the area well, was dressed appropriately, and had taken a map (which he can read) a compass, a phone (which he knew wouldn't necessarily get a signal) and the dog (who would have been pretty much useless in most situations, but was otherwise a delight). I was about 30 miles away in a caravan with the children, who were too young to go with him at the time.

He came upon a woman who was part of a walking group, but had missed the first 'leg' of their walk, and was completing it herself. Literally by herself. She was lost, disorientated, dehydrated and confused. Her walking shoes were new, and her feet were blistered. It was a hot day, and she had no water, and no suitable clothing, so she was burning.

Luckily, my husband found her, gave her his jacket and water, and was able to accompany her to her car. She was going to drive back to her accommodation, but he was unhappy for her to do so in the state she was in, so persuaded her to call someone and give them his car registration and description, then drove her there himself.

I dread to think what would have happened if he hadn't found her, which was entirely by chance, or if she had wandered even further from her car than she had done. She glugged all of the water, so both of them could have ended up dehydrated by the time he got her to a place of safety. Also, if he had been an axe murderer or something, she could have gone missing without trace. It is so foolish to wander about in remote areas alone, particularly if you don't know the area, aren't properly dressed and don't have the basics such as a phone and some water.

As it was, I was ready to call the rescue service, and if it hadn't been that he had taken our only mobile (this was in the 1990s) and it was a hike to a phone box and I had small children to look after, I would have done so by the time he got home. He had, of course, been unable to get in touch with me, and I was really worried. I hope the woman realised how silly she had been.

mokryna Mon 08-Feb-21 19:24:16

Disgusting those thoughtless people have been fined only £200 each! The volunteer has life changing injuries. They should be made to pay a pension for the rest of his life.

Harris27 Mon 08-Feb-21 19:25:02

The lakes is a beautiful place.however walkers should be at least somewhat ok with area and somewhat experienced with this activity. We love the area and the Rescue teams are the lifeline of the lakes. How stupid was this man to do what he did. Sorry that he’s injured but common sense prevails.

welbeck Mon 08-Feb-21 19:49:06

it is the would-be rescuer who was injured, isn't it.
not the one who was at fault for going there.
that's what makes it so ....can't find the word.

Kate1949 Mon 08-Feb-21 19:51:09

Makes my blood boil.

MiniMoon Mon 08-Feb-21 19:53:07

The injured man was part of the Patterdale mountain rescue team Harris27.

Elegran Mon 08-Feb-21 20:24:46

Another lot have just had to be rescued from Cheddar Gorge.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-55982164

Georgesgran Tue 09-Feb-21 12:39:48

Personally, I feel the fines are a joke! Whilst a flat figure is easier/cheaper to collect, I think £200 should be a minimum and then more on the basis of ability to pay. Didn’t Ant McPartlin pay a £82000 fine for a drink driving conviction? A certain pop star who has broken lockdown 2 or 3 times has offered to pay £5000 but I’d be interested to know if that’s been paid and she could afford many times that amount. Perhaps the thought of a hefty fine might deter some?

Iam64 Tue 09-Feb-21 12:44:36

Shocking selfish and stupid behaviour by these two men. Tragic that a mountain rescuer has life changing injuries
Our local paper had a comment from a reader, who said £200 fine is meaningless, the police should be able to crush the vehicles the men used.

LauraNorder Tue 09-Feb-21 12:59:55

One of my sons is a RNLI volunteer. He puts his own life at risk many times to rescue brainless, selfish idiots out at sea or stuck on cliff edges with inadequate gear and lack of experience.
I am very proud of all our rescue heroes and feel furious and so very sad that one of the few have sustained life changing injuries rescuing one of, what is increasingly becoming, the many.

Elegran Tue 09-Feb-21 13:52:38

Perhaps the fine should be a percentage of their average income? I don't know how that could be engineered, but it would match to ability to pay, and those with a lot spare would pay more.

Georgesgran Tue 09-Feb-21 13:54:57

At the risk of going off at a tangent - would it not be a good idea for anyone engaged in ‘dangerous hobbies’ to have some sort of insurance? My DH paid £48 a year for his - £4 a month (never needed, just in case). When I see mountain bikers come a cropper and need rescuing they’ve probably spent £1K+ on the bike. Fell walkers will have paid quite a lot for their equipment and those rescued by the RNLI usually own a boat! I’m not talking private healthcare - just insurance to cover the cost of the actual call out/rescue. We insure our possessions in and away from home and take out holiday insurance, so why not.
I’ll duck behind the sofa now, as many people feel everything they get should come for free.

Elegran Tue 09-Feb-21 14:07:17

It isn't necessarily the ones who climb or walk frequently, as a hobby. They are usually well dressed for it and have the relevant equipment, and know the ground rules.

It is people who are fed up with not being able to do all the things they normally do and decide to go out into the great outdoors, but have no idea what they are taking on. They wear sneakers and thin clothes, don't take a map or a torch because it is daylight when they start, and don't even let anyone else know exactly where they plan to go.

Night falls before they get back, or the weather changes dramatically, they get lost and cold or trip and sprain an ankle, and someone has to leave their warm home to go and rescue them. Finding them first can take hours of searching in the dark!

Auntieflo Tue 09-Feb-21 14:19:27

Georgesgran, I have felt for a long time that some sort of insurance should be compulsory, but often these mindless pursuits are taken on the spur of the moment. So do wonder how it would be organised.

trisher Tue 09-Feb-21 14:32:28

I looked this up and as we arre in lockdown I think the CPR should make an example of this by charging the walkers with culpable and reckless conduct and that the injured man should make a claim against them for negligence en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpable_and_reckless_conduct

Fennel Tue 09-Feb-21 15:55:00

Completely agree Trisher.
As well as that we (DH and me) think all rescue services - land sea and air- should have the option of charging full costs for rescues.
Unless it can be proved that the victims weren't negligent or frivolous.

mokryna Tue 16-Feb-21 18:20:24

Online fundraisers have been set up and raised thousands of pounds for the team.