Megan and Harry again!

trisher I would absolutely agree, if she had married any other man in the world. Honestly I would. But... it's a bit like those people who go into I'm A Celebrity claiming they had no idea what was involved. I've never watched it, only seen clips and heard others talk but I know what's involved. I'm sorry, but as I said, she cannot be both stupid and intelligent at the same time - not on this. No one, not even an American can claim ignorance of the RF, especially one who is going to marry into it. It's not like they are exactly discreet as an institution is it?

Everyone is entitled to use publicly, happens all the time with the reality programmes, we see it with Katie Price . There is a difference between using publicity and using people

Lucca care to elucidate? One word posts are very difficult to ascertain what they are referring to.

Sorry trisher mean't to add, do you honestly think her Maj would actually have stopped them taking Archie? Not sure just because we can, we necessarily choose to do, especially when pretty much the whole world would turn on us and even the Queen shouting "I know my rights" whilst clutching a baby wouldn't wash.

(Sorry, but it was such a straw baby I had to)

Very fair point Anniebach.

The Queen didn’t even stop Harry and William staying in
Al Fayed’s villa

I think the use of a one word answer usually means that the poster has nothing useful to add to the discussion, dislikes it, but doesn't want to invite a pile on. They do want to make it clear they disapprove. It's passive aggression at its finest. Que sera.

It's also often a cue that they think someone like me is talking too much, as if they are going to get billed for the bandwidth or something. So, on that note I'm off to clean up the dog's doo from the garden. It seems preferable to playing the same old, same old tired game of who can shout louder because they don't know how to debate. This thread now has the whiff of that, and I prefer the smell of the dog poo.

Do I think Queenie would have grabbed Archie? Probably not, but he would undoubtedly have become the RF's possession much as W&H did. Would I be worried if someone had those rights over my child? Yes I would and if moving somewhere else meant avoiding the issue I would move.
As for the secretive RF I've lived long enough to realise that what we think we know is in fact just 'spin' and the reality is much darker and more complex. Why does everyone watch The Crown? Because all the secrets and lies are being exposed..
As for Al Fayed everyone knew he wanted a title he was not goiing to upset the RF.
There are stories that Diana was planning to move abroad and wanted W&H with her.

trisher - I read something, somewhere about a change to Archie's birth certificate - is that what you mean about 'possession'?

I must admit, looking at it from the point of view you put forward it starts to look very much like Harry is a bit Tim nice but Dim and had no clue what he was asking his wife to take on. My god this is fascinating, but I do feel sorry for all of them - Queen, RF in general, even Meghan, because like it or not she is not bigger than the 'firm' and she will be widely hated in the same way Wallis Simpson was. I wonder if personal happiness is even possible under such circumstances? I think someone would have to be a clinically diagnosable narcissist to truly believe it.

I can't believe any rational, intelligent person would cite "The Crown" as being an accurate documentary on the RF. I haven't seen more than the odd trailer, but for goodness sake conversations that took place in private being portrayed as factually correct. trisher why do you believe every story that portrays the RF in a bad light? Do you really believe "spin" is restricted to the RF, how about M&H do they not use "spin" as it suits?

I find it difficult to believe that people who dislike the RF seem to be ridiculously supportive of Meghan. It doesn’t matter what she does or how she behaves, she is seen in a totally positive light. It’s strange, since the much disliked RF are Meghan’s ticket to world fame and extreme wealth.

Al Fayed wanted a title ? He had twice been refused British
citizenship .

The Crown ? explains much

I’m neither someone who dislikes the RF , or someone who is ridiculously supportive of Meghan.
I’m largely in agreement with tRisha’s take on this.
I don’t know Meghan M, I find a lot of the anger, vitriol and criticisms levelled at her extreme.
She’s accused of manipulating from day 1. Ok she thought, I’ll get that Prince to fall in love and marry me. I’ll pretend to enjoy being a Royal Wife whilst manipulating him into running off to the US so we can be wealthy celebs on the back of his family.
Give us a break. Life evolves, plans hopes and desires can change. PH often spoke about wanting out of the RF before he met Meghan. It’s just possible that having his own family brought home to him how much he didn’t want his child brought up in the RF. the walk behind that coffin was so wrong.

Anniebach I'd missed the bit about Al Fayed........just shows how far down fantasy road some venture. Amazing what "everyone knew", not quite everyone because I didn't

Iam64

I’m neither someone who dislikes the RF , or someone who is ridiculously supportive of Meghan.
I’m largely in agreement with tRisha’s take on this.
I don’t know Meghan M, I find a lot of the anger, vitriol and criticisms levelled at her extreme.
She’s accused of manipulating from day 1. Ok she thought, I’ll get that Prince to fall in love and marry me. I’ll pretend to enjoy being a Royal Wife whilst manipulating him into running off to the US so we can be wealthy celebs on the back of his family.
Give us a break. Life evolves, plans hopes and desires can change. PH often spoke about wanting out of the RF before he met Meghan. It’s just possible that having his own family brought home to him how much he didn’t want his child brought up in the RF. the walk behind that coffin was so wrong.

Good post Iam64. My thoughts exactly.

NellG The Royal Prerogative of 1717 giving the monarch rights over all royal children is still on the statute book www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/meghan-markle-prince-harry-children-custody-legal-queen-royal-family-a8503261.html
I think Harry is probably a bit dim- most of the RF are.
I don't regard The Crown as 100% accurate I do think it exposes some of the things not widely publicised at the time which have subsequently come to light. For example the very colourful and slightly dodgy life of Armstrong Jones and Margaret.

I’m new to this and dipping my toe in here on this polarising subject. My view, and I’ve read a lot over the past few years, is that Meghan knew very well what she was doing. Harry...I’m not sure. I believe she love bombed him, got him where she wanted him in record time but misjudged her eventual role in the family. She wanted adoration and the fame that being an A lister in Hollywood affords you. Meghan isn’t, and never was, a Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Anniston type of figure in the acting world. That level of fame never came her way. That she wanted it, I don’t think anyone can be in any doubt. Also, the riches, the homes, the clothes that come with that lifestyle. What she also wanted to be was ‘the star’. Sadly, in the RF she wasn’t and never will be. Realising that, she wanted to go back to California, where she could have her own court having achieved worldwide fame and a luxurious lifestyle on the back of her marriage. Whether she actually loves him I think it’s unlikely. I do believe he loves her but may be having buyers remorse a bit now. As for Archie... who really knows.

maddyone

I find it difficult to believe that people who dislike the RF seem to be ridiculously supportive of Meghan. It doesn’t matter what she does or how she behaves, she is seen in a totally positive light. It’s strange, since the much disliked RF are Meghan’s ticket to world fame and extreme wealth.

Makes me wonder if their support is because they really are invested in Meghan as a wonderful ambassador of modern womanhood and a woman they admire, or whether she's just a convenient stick with which to beat a monarchy that they despise. Kind of makes a mockery of the virtue signalling doesn't it?

maddyone

I find it difficult to believe that people who dislike the RF seem to be ridiculously supportive of Meghan. It doesn’t matter what she does or how she behaves, she is seen in a totally positive light. It’s strange, since the much disliked RF are Meghan’s ticket to world fame and extreme wealth.

I completely disagree with the concept of the monarchy. There are individual members of the royal family who over the years have not endeared themselves to me and others who seem generally acceptable in carrying out their roles. However, I accept that my views are based on a range of ‘information’ from a variety of ‘sources’ and no doubt fuelled a good dose of my own prejudice. The reason I come on threads like this as part of Team Meghan is not because I am ridiculously supportive of her but because so many posters who are ridiculously anti- her and a level of discussion and comments about her that are quite frankly gutter level gossip,

Would the Queen have taken control of Archie?
Highly unlikely, but I would hazard a guess that she is deeply concerned, as are so many grandparents on here, about the welfare of her great-grandson and the effect the family estrangement may have on him. The Windsors and the Spencers were both stabilising influences for the Princes during their childhood and after the death of their mother.

I think M & H have gone too far with this interview; it was probably intended as a threat to force the Queen to give into their demands, and it failed. There will be much acrimony after it is broadcast, whatever is said, and neither of them appear to have learned caution from their personal experiences of family members washing their dirty linen in public.

trisher Interesting, thank you ?

I'm thinking George needs to pull an Elizabeth 1st and Louie needs to enter the Church. Poor kids stand no chance of a happy relationship if they don't toe the line.

I've long thought that being born into the RF must be some kind of ancient curse.

I've long thought that being born into the RF must be some kind of ancient curse.
A bit like the Grimaldis then, though Princess Grace managed it very successfully and serenely until her death.

I couldn't agree more Nell when you posted that believing "there are people out there capable of inflicting such deep wounds on people, even nations - is so terrifying they cannot accept it".

I too remember reading about a change being made to Archie's birth certificate, and if I remember correctly the change made was to his mother's title. She had herself referred too as 'the Duchess of Sussex'. I wonder why, when she's so determined to be free of the chains of the RF.

I wouldn't say M got H to fall in love with her Iam but don't agree it's beyond the realms of possibility that she pretended "to enjoy being a Royal Wife whilst manipulating him into running off to the US so we can be wealthy celebs on the back of his family".

The have become 'celebs' since their departure by virtue of him being a prince and it is that 'status' that has become their golden ticket to fame and fortune.

She didn't "pretend to enjoy being a Royal Wife" for long did she and IMO her coercive control and manipulation of H has resulted in him distancing himself from his father, brother, GP's and extended family.

Our ES's wife pretended to enjoy being a part of our family and she 'held out' for a lot longer than Megan. She pretended she loved us and the family she'd married into while working behind the scenes, controlling and manipulating our son until he walked away from an extensive and loving family, all but his brother who by living on the other side of the world isn't regarded as much of a 'threat' to her plans.

You posted trisher "the idol must be knocked down". They haven't been knocked down; they weren't pushed, they jumped.

It makes perfect sense to me maddyone Megan has become the stick that those so opposed to the RF use to beat them with. In that regard she's the gift that keeps on giving when in reality she's, everything and more that the RF is condemned for. All wrapped up in an attractive and seemingly intelligent little package.

trisher if you read that article you linked to, surely you also read the sovereign only has rights to his/her minor grandchildren, not his/her minor great grandchildren. Meghan and Harry had no reason to believe the Queen would be able to grab Archie. Bang there goes another rumour!

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