On borrowed time - the royals

Indeed. But using those prejudices to prove that the object of the calumnies has been swindling the country for decades and is unfit for their high office is taking bias a bit far.

Don't worry Elegran our very own cut and paste artiste will no doubt furnish such a list. Probably from the Guardian, which wont list actual evidence because it's too "secret". SO secret we are all supposed to just accept it exists on the nod.

Elegran

Indeed. But using those prejudices to prove that the object of the calumnies has been swindling the country for decades and is unfit for their high office is taking bias a bit far.

It’s really nit - it’s just GN double standards

Not ?

NellG

Don't worry Elegran our very own cut and paste artiste will no doubt furnish such a list. Probably from the Guardian, which wont list actual evidence because it's too "secret". SO secret we are all supposed to just accept it exists on the nod.

Unlike the rags who wouldn’t know evidence if it bit them on the nose?

That is rather sweeping statement suziewoozie, disproved by the fact that many newspapers during the last week have printed evidence to impugn various points made by Meghan Markle. Whereas I do not intend this example to imply that what you say is not occasionally correct, such generalisation does weaken your argument,

Lexisgranny

That is rather sweeping statement suziewoozie, disproved by the fact that many newspapers during the last week have printed evidence to impugn various points made by Meghan Markle. Whereas I do not intend this example to imply that what you say is not occasionally correct, such generalisation does weaken your argument,

The standard of reporting in our tabloid press is disgraceful .

And how come you didn’t call out Nells sweeping statement about the Guardian?

Mainly because you were referring collectively to many newspapers - and judging from your first reply you are still doing it.

Lexisgranny

Mainly because you were referring collectively to many newspapers - and judging from your first reply you are still doing it.

I think we can lump the Mail, Express, Sun into the same bucket. As I’m sure you know, the Guardian is the only proper news paper which is left of centre

Well said Franbern

Okay for a start The RF spends public money day in day out, nothing is ever said, on their hobbies interests, sports golf hunting shooting, whatever. They cost an awful lot not all travel is itemised in their annual financial report by the palace those trips costing from £15000 are not included. Then there is the around the clock security £105 million for their 19 residences, this is separate from the £82 million sovereign grant. Then their days out local council bare the cost of these a few millions.

The Duchy does not pay corporation tax even though it's run like a business, a billion pound business, giving Charles an unfair advantage. He get 22million at the last count this will increase each time, same as the SG So when everything is included the RF costs £245 million

The queen has a say in over 1000 laws uncovered in the archives including you bet laws that affect her private interests.

The paradise papers discovered that the queen had millions in these off shore tax havens.

This is corruption using public office for private gain.

She has had a very pampered life.

In a poll recently Republic 34/66 monarchy

A significant improvement from 20/80

The younger people would like an elected president The older people 70s onwards a monarchy

I've been rather surprised at the young people in my world who are quite keen on the Monarchy.

When I was young I had zero interest in them. We could have become a republic and I'd not have been remotely bothered.

However I am now more than happy to have them.

Maybe getting older, some of us appreciate having them rather than the alternative.

We could get a lot better for less

"I find the argument that we might end up with someone like Trump/Putin/Blair quite scary..."

No mention of Biden or Obama I see. Obama and his awful wife divide our country racially and Biden, who didn't even win, has dementia. We don't really know who's leading the free world right now.

What wars did Trump start? He brought jobs and prosperity to the U.S.

For God's sake keep the Monarchy!

No way There are a lot of decent intelligent people in UK who could put themselves up for Head of State Not the dulards we have as RF

Boogaloo

"I find the argument that we might end up with someone like Trump/Putin/Blair quite scary..."

No mention of Biden or Obama I see. Obama and his awful wife divide our country racially and Biden, who didn't even win, has dementia. We don't really know who's leading the free world right now.

What wars did Trump start? He brought jobs and prosperity to the U.S.

For God's sake keep the Monarchy!

Do you understand the difference between having a head of state and a head of government ( our system) and the US system where the posts are combined? Btw I think MO is lovely ?

OMG, Trump supporter approves of the monarchy. They obviously believe the Donald should be king. What’s the betting Ivanka stands for president next time. I agree Michelle Obama would be a great president.

^In a poll recently Republic 34/66 monarchy
A significant improvement from 20/80^

Significant indeed.
Informative post Grany. I find it hard to believe that anyone could support the financing of this luxurious lifestyle.

I too am tired of the silly "better than the alternative" argument.

If it really was “better than the alternative” we would find republics clamouring to become monarchies. Don’t see many of them.

Back in 1953, my much older brother slammed out of our house (on a large council estate), where my parents and neightbours were watching the tiny tv screen of the coronation. As he went, he shouted 'Her son will never wear the crown'.

My brother has been dead for some 15 years now, but I really regret that I never took a bet on his words many years ago.

vegansrock

If it really was “better than the alternative” we would find republics clamouring to become monarchies. Don’t see many of them.

Spot on vegansrock! Although I'm in no doubt that someone will be along in a minute to tell us that they would all really like to have a monarchy likes ours if they could!

Regarding Michelle Obama, I would recommend her autobiography. I think she's brighter than her husband and would have made a great President, but I think they were wise enough to know that the electorate wouldn't go for a person of colour and a woman all in one jump.

Well, Britain clamoured to become a monarchy again after Cromwell, so much so that what was created after his son was booted out of parliament are same laws/statutes/instruments that entrench the monarchy today. There is a morbid fear in this country regarding republican rule and ultimately people seem happier to accept an inherited right to wealth and privilege than an elected one. Better the devil you know?

Boogaloo

"I find the argument that we might end up with someone like Trump/Putin/Blair quite scary..."

No mention of Biden or Obama I see. Obama and his awful wife divide our country racially and Biden, who didn't even win, has dementia. We don't really know who's leading the free world right now.

What wars did Trump start? He brought jobs and prosperity to the U.S.

For God's sake keep the Monarchy!

Biden DID win, in spite of Putin's best efforts to re-elect his puppet Trump, who he boosted successfully in 2016.

There is now evidence that in 2020, as in 2916 Putin interfered with the US election in support of Trump.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-56423536#aoh=16159645942298&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s

As in 2016 - not 2916!