Boris and Carrie have got married!

So many bitter remarks on here, really truly nastiness. Disgusting.

Me too FannyCornforth

maddyone

So many bitter remarks on here, really truly nastiness. Disgusting.

I've not been a member for very long, so I missed all of the Brexit stuff.
It must haves been absolute carnage!

If theworriedwell was making a joke I apologise.

Fanny I think it’s got worse to be honest. Maybe it’s the Covid pandemic, I don’t know, but these type of threads seem to attract the most unpleasantness. The Harry and Meghan threads, and the Boris Johnson threads seem the worse to me. Thankfully there have been some lovely comments on this thread, but also some very nasty ones. There are other subjects too but we’re not supposed to discuss other threads so I won’t. I wish Carrie and Boris well on their marriage, I don’t know why we can’t all do that and leave it at that.

Because people have different opinions and are allowed to express them. So lots of people are interested in the issues relating to the church.

The Catholic church has all manner of contradictory grey areas that are blatantly unfair.

For example I believe, a married man can become a catholic priest if he just so happened to be a married vicar and convert to catholicism, obviously he can't dump wife and kids if they are in existence, so he can proceed in his priestly duties having his cake and eating it so to speak. How unfair given that married status is precluded to those men who may have a calling but are put off by taking a vow of celibacy. There is a dire shortage of priests anyway, if the church were to move with the times and allow married men and women to become ordained that could well be reversed. As we all know, somewhere back in the mists of time priests were married, as I imagine Jesus was, it was very unlikely for a Jewish man of that time not to be married. Another piece of skewed history to fit in with the patriarchy.

Annulment is really just the catholic version of divorce, they can call it what they like it's the same thing essentially. Divorce is so unpalatable to the church, they have to pretend it's something else. I don't understand how anyone or body can rule that a marriage was invalid unless there's damn good reason such as it being a "forced marriage". Certainly if there are children how can it be nullified?

Having grown up with it all and really to anyone who hasn't been raised in such a way, I'd say you have to live it to understand that control, most of us do in retrospect. The church seeks to imbue children in its doctrines before they can possibly comprehend what they are taking on. Hence "Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man" No girls and women don't get a mention It's probably why I didn't bring my children up in what was my faith because I think following a religion requires making an informed choice. Many catholics, lapsed or practising carry some sort of mish mash of guilt.

Also it’s not necessarily “bile” to have a joke at the expense of someone in the public eye who hasn’t got a great track record where relationships are concerned. You should see the Private Eye cover - some of you would need the smelling salts.

Certainly the Catholic Church in UK will be damaged by this, in the eyes of many, including mine. And there is no bitterness here from me. I am not religious and chose NOT to get married in Church - 50 years yesterday.

So the argument here is not that they got married, but how, where and by whom ... and why.

Yes I would add I wish Boris and Carrie well, I just think there are going to be a lot of divorced catholics thinking "what the heck!"

Started a specfic thread for this question.

I hope I haven't been nasty. I get fed up of people using power to twist things to suit themselves. Religion is one of those areas, as is white powerful men going into to politics. The two obviously combined yesterday.

Hopefully Carrie will be ok financially at least and her children looked after and I don't mean that spiteful.

Happy bank holiday We've just lit the BBQ

I wanted to get married in my village church fwiw and couldn't as I married someone older who'd had a brief marriage and the break was not of his doing. We were questioned at length by the Church and the vicar said no. So we got married in registry office and have been together for 20 odd years, no infidelity - a lot of bloody heartache and proper trauma but we have stuck by one another. I never went back to church after that, apart from for my siblings and grandparents funeral. Life is not a fair playing field. Maybe you have to experience it to understand. Maybe that is why people are angry/upset? show emotion? It isn't spite

anyway, BBQ is lit, all enjoy yourselves x

For example I believe, a married man can become a catholic priest if he just so happened to be a married vicar and convert to catholicism, obviously he can't dump wife and kids if they are in existence, so he can proceed in his priestly duties having his cake and eating it so to speak. How unfair given that married status is precluded to those men who may have a calling but are put off by taking a vow of celibacy. There is a dire shortage of priests anyway, if the church were to move with the times and allow married men and women to become ordained that could well be reversed. As we all know, somewhere back in the mists of time priests were married, as I imagine Jesus was, it was very unlikely for a Jewish man of that time not to be married. Another piece of skewed history to fit in with the patriarchy.

Terribull
Yes, absolutely.
It is hypocrisy.

JaneJudge I've been to a wedding in the C of E which was a second marriage for both divorced partners. The vicar was quite happy to perform the service

JaneJudge

anyway, BBQ is lit, all enjoy yourselves x

Thank you, I've made a pudding and brought ?

JaneJudge, ? I totally understand where you are coming from. It is nothing to do with hating Boris, or some posters intentionally being spiteful. As you say, unless you have experienced it, it may be difficult to understand why some of us are annoyed and disappointed in the Catholic Church's ambiguous stance.

I think it is to do with hating Boris because if people didn't they would take the trouble to think a little and realise that it is Carrie who is the Catholic and she has not been married before. Why should she not have a Catholic wedding?

Apparently Johnson was a Catholic, changed his mind at Eton and recently back again so therefore his previous marriages didn't actually happen in the eyes of the church. Which is highly convenient. Talk about Starmer flip flopping!

I understand why some people have been disappointed in the Catholic Church, but the posts I referred to were personal. A query why Carrie was wearing a white dress because she’s clearly not a virgin for example. Others equally personal about Boris/Carrie. Querying the Catholic church’s stance is quite different.

Carrie was a single practicing Roman Catholic , I don’t know where Johnson got married but he isn’t a Roman Catholic. I assume he had his previous marriages annulled.

If we read the whole thread, there are some very spiteful posts.

Because she married a divorced man. The church should either allow it for everyone or for no one, not just because the man was a person of influence.

maddyone

I understand why some people have been disappointed in the Catholic Church, but the posts I referred to were personal. A query why Carrie was wearing a white dress because she’s clearly not a virgin for example. Others equally personal about Boris/Carrie. Querying the Catholic church’s stance is quite different.

Exactly ?

I didn’t know he’d changed back. Thanks, daisymae.