Boris and Carrie have got married!

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about Catholic marriages on this thread.

Neither adultery nor fornication are bars to marriage in the Catholic church. Those presenting themselves to be married are expected to go to confession prior to the wedding ceremony and confess their sins, which most definitely do include adultery and fornication, repent, be absolved and do penance. The priest who is to officiate at the wedding is within his rights to ask whether they have confessed etc. and to refuse to marry them if they have not. They do not need to have used him as their confessor, though.

You are all correct regarding divorce as a bar to marriage.

According to Canon Law no-one may marry who has a living spouse and a divorced husband or wife counts as a spouse.

The divorced party to a new marriage can ask a bishop's court to look into the grounds for the former marriage and judge whether it was or was not valid in Canon Law.

This process takes time depending on how many cases the court has to deal with. These days most priests preparing such a case state the grounds for invalidity being the presumption that the parties married without a proper awareness of the fact that a Catholic marriage is a sacrament and with no intention of abiding by the condition of the service that states that marriage lasts "until death do us part"

If for this, or any other of the reasons that invalidate a marriage in Canon Law, the person's former marriage or marriages are deemed invalid, he or she can then marry in the Catholic church.

If, which is usually the case, such a marriage was valid by the secular law of the country any children of it are legitimate and their status is not changed because Canon law deems their parent's marriage invalid.

A marriage can only be annulled if it was never consummated, which necessitates one at least of the parties to it proving, with the help of medical evidence that he or she was not physically capable of consummating the marriage, or had no opportunity to do so.

Annulments are relatively rare these days, where very few women of any age can proof themselves intact virgins, which is after all the easiest way of proving non-consummation.

If neither party to the intended marriage has been married before, then if one of them is a Catholic they can and should marry in a Catholic ceremony, as Catholics may not marry outwith the Catholic church.

If you do so, you are deemed to have excommunicated yourself.

At least Boris knows 30 people who he can trust. I suspect the Press are spitting feathers over this.

Apparently, as his two previous marriages did not take place in church (presumably not a Catholic church, but I'm not sure about that bit) the Catholic Church is able to marry a person. Do correct me if I've got that wrong. I think I may have heard it on the radio (either Radio 4 or Radio Norfolk, but both BBC anyway).

Typical. One rule for them. Money talks.

I wonder what Jesus would do

bobbydog24

Typical. One rule for them. Money talks.

Money has nothing to do with it.
Reading this thread there have been many explanations how this marriage took place. I was at a wedding last week. Weddings are allowed.

Good luck to them both

As has been said in earlier posts, genuine people removing themselves from a disastrous, violent marriage have been refused permission to remarry in the Catholic Church. She is a Catholic but knowingly split up a marriage and don’t forget, Boris’ wife was suffering with cancer at the time. The pair of them deserve each other.

I don't feel sorry for her. I guess she's a shrewd character - no shrinking violet - and she'll know what she's getting into. She'll have her reasons.

What hypocrisy Shacked up and a babe born out of wedlock to boot!

And another on the way.

He was never previously married in the Catholic church, so the Catholic church never recognised his previous marriages, making this Boris's first marriage to be recognised by the Catholic church. Cheating really!

It was in the papers and on the news. Apparently his previous weddings were not in a catholic church, so thats why this wedding could be!! Thats what they tell us. I dont think his previous marriages were annulled, he is divorced. Congratulations to them both.

Well done Carrie, now she can go to Balmoral with Boris as Mrs Johnson and attend the Summit of World leaders and their wives next month. Neither of which she could do as a fiancee. They did marry in a Catholic ceremony as neither of his two previous marriages were Catholic ceremonies so this is his first and she is Roman Catholic. Same place Wilfred was baptised. The wedding also lets Boris off the hook for a more expensive affair as it is well known is is the poorest Prime Minister to inhabit No10 due to 2 ex-wives and countless children some still at school or university. The Times states she even hired the wedding gown at £45 a day, probably she didn't want to appear to OTT after the cost of the rented flat makeover. I think they have both played this one brilliantly and the photos in The Times were lovely. I hope it works out well for them.

It is news to me that divorcees are allowed to get married in the Catholic Church

Semiruralgirl, his children may or may not feel insulted. We’ll never know until ‘someone, who knows someone who is close to them, who knows all about, it spills the beans.
Maybe they’re like the tennis player who has decided not to speak to the press. I don’t trust any of the media not to post only ‘*their*’ version of the truth.

Why is this even relevant here please Mollygo

Maybe they’re like the tennis player who has decided not to speak to the press.

- sorry, I may not be very bright today but I don't understand the link between someone with mental ill-health and Johnson's children?

I’ve just been sent a picture of the happy couple with the caption “Boris Johnson, star of Three Weddings and 150,000 Funerals”!
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coastalgran

Well done Carrie, now she can go to Balmoral with Boris as Mrs Johnson and attend the Summit of World leaders and their wives next month. Neither of which she could do as a fiancee. They did marry in a Catholic ceremony as neither of his two previous marriages were Catholic ceremonies so this is his first and she is Roman Catholic. Same place Wilfred was baptised. The wedding also lets Boris off the hook for a more expensive affair as it is well known is is the poorest Prime Minister to inhabit No10 due to 2 ex-wives and countless children some still at school or university. The Times states she even hired the wedding gown at £45 a day, probably she didn't want to appear to OTT after the cost of the rented flat makeover. I think they have both played this one brilliantly and the photos in The Times were lovely. I hope it works out well for them.

Carrie went to Balmoral with BJ.

coastalgran

Well done Carrie, now she can go to Balmoral with Boris as Mrs Johnson and attend the Summit of World leaders and their wives next month. Neither of which she could do as a fiancee. They did marry in a Catholic ceremony as neither of his two previous marriages were Catholic ceremonies so this is his first and she is Roman Catholic. Same place Wilfred was baptised. The wedding also lets Boris off the hook for a more expensive affair as it is well known is is the poorest Prime Minister to inhabit No10 due to 2 ex-wives and countless children some still at school or university. The Times states she even hired the wedding gown at £45 a day, probably she didn't want to appear to OTT after the cost of the rented flat makeover. I think they have both played this one brilliantly and the photos in The Times were lovely. I hope it works out well for them.

Apparently she hired it for 7 days plus a couple of others in order to confuse !

I wish them the same happiness, loyalty and devotion they gave to all their past relationship partners. May their union last as long as their past unions with all the side dishes on the side.

I read that a Catholic church will marry anyone whose previous Marriage/marriages were not in a Catholic church as they do not recognise weddings that are not Catholic. So in other words he has not been previously married.

grandtanteJE65

There seems to be a great deal of confusion about Catholic marriages on this thread.

Neither adultery nor fornication are bars to marriage in the Catholic church. Those presenting themselves to be married are expected to go to confession prior to the wedding ceremony and confess their sins, which most definitely do include adultery and fornication, repent, be absolved and do penance. The priest who is to officiate at the wedding is within his rights to ask whether they have confessed etc. and to refuse to marry them if they have not. They do not need to have used him as their confessor, though.

You are all correct regarding divorce as a bar to marriage.

According to Canon Law no-one may marry who has a living spouse and a divorced husband or wife counts as a spouse.

The divorced party to a new marriage can ask a bishop's court to look into the grounds for the former marriage and judge whether it was or was not valid in Canon Law.

This process takes time depending on how many cases the court has to deal with. These days most priests preparing such a case state the grounds for invalidity being the presumption that the parties married without a proper awareness of the fact that a Catholic marriage is a sacrament and with no intention of abiding by the condition of the service that states that marriage lasts "until death do us part"

If for this, or any other of the reasons that invalidate a marriage in Canon Law, the person's former marriage or marriages are deemed invalid, he or she can then marry in the Catholic church.

If, which is usually the case, such a marriage was valid by the secular law of the country any children of it are legitimate and their status is not changed because Canon law deems their parent's marriage invalid.

A marriage can only be annulled if it was never consummated, which necessitates one at least of the parties to it proving, with the help of medical evidence that he or she was not physically capable of consummating the marriage, or had no opportunity to do so.

Annulments are relatively rare these days, where very few women of any age can proof themselves intact virgins, which is after all the easiest way of proving non-consummation.

If neither party to the intended marriage has been married before, then if one of them is a Catholic they can and should marry in a Catholic ceremony, as Catholics may not marry outwith the Catholic church.

If you do so, you are deemed to have excommunicated yourself.

It isn't true that non consummation is the only grounds for annulment. I had grounds for annulment when I found out a week after the wedding that his girlfriend was pregnant and the night before the wedding they slept in the bed in our new home. The grounds are lack of due discretion in that he did not have the maturity to respect the married relationship. The alternative grounds were inability to assume the responsibilities of marriage.

This link explains it www.catholicfamily.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/NBCW-A-Guide-to-the-Annulment-Process-4th-Edition.pdf

Yammy

I read that a Catholic church will marry anyone whose previous Marriage/marriages were not in a Catholic church as they do not recognise weddings that are not Catholic. So in other words he has not been previously married.

Anyone who was a Catholic at the time of the marriage. Not all priests go along with this.

Calendargirl

The repetitions on this thread are proof that most on GN don’t bother reading previous comments.

It’s hilariously tedious isn’t it??

Good post Icanhandthemback ????