Chris Whitty

I still say if it’s OK to call him a yob (which I think we all agree that he is) then it was unfair to come down on Ellianne like the proverbial ton of bricks for using the term “minions”

Thanks for the update MawB

Aveline

Yes but were you also a yob like that one who harried poor Chris Whitty?

Definitely not!!

I might have wanted to give him a hug, though, but I'd be respectful of self-distancing now.

A man has been charged with common assault after England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty was accosted by a group of men in a London park.
From the BBC website 2 minutes ago.

Yes but were you also a yob like that one who harried poor Chris Whitty?

I've been bottom of the beer chain, definitely a minion then.

MawBe

Calm down dear, I’m sure you were a very good Saturday girl bu t you presumably were close to the bottom of the food chain in that bakers shop?

????????
Choking on my Rich Tea!

Perhaps if the estate agent yob was a bit more servile he may not have been so impolite to Mr Whitty. Or perhaps he was loud and yobbish because he had to act the underling at work. We will never know.

MawBe

Calm down dear, I’m sure you were a very good Saturday girl bu t you presumably were close to the bottom of the food chain in that bakers shop?

Insulting? Me? ???

Calm down dear ?

Alegrias1

MawBe

Calm down dear, I’m sure you were a very good Saturday girl bu t you presumably were close to the bottom of the food chain in that bakers shop?

I guess I was a sub-minion by your lofty standards, maybe that's how you would have thought of me had you come into the shop for your lovely cakes.

But nobody I worked for had the bad manners to think of me that way.

Who knows what anybody thinks but my manners need not come into question. Please stop being personally insulting.

MawBe

Calm down dear, I’m sure you were a very good Saturday girl bu t you presumably were close to the bottom of the food chain in that bakers shop?

I guess I was a sub-minion by your lofty standards, maybe that's how you would have thought of me had you come into the shop for your lovely cakes.

But nobody I worked for had the bad manners to think of me that way.

On the Ferrari show, a lawyer was arguing that the estate agent was dismissed unfairly!!!

They might not have been 'evil' but their behaviour was despicable, threatening and bullyish. I for one am very glad he lost his job.

Calm down dear, I’m sure you were a very good Saturday girl bu t you presumably were close to the bottom of the food chain in that bakers shop?

Because "minions" is insulting, can you not see that?

Minions are servile and unimportant. They are followers and underlings of an important person.

I was once a Saturday girl in a baker's shop. I worked for someone else in an entry level job. But I was nobody's "minion". Sheesh.

Now I am confused it seems we are agreed these men are YOBS and I have no argument with that.
So why the outrage directed at Ellianne for describing them as "minions" if they do indeed hold fairly humble positions in their employment?
That was what I found incongruous

Alegrias1

Minion: follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile or unimportant one.

Not sure I agree MawBe Yob is an observation, minion is a judgement.

Minion was a description of his job.

Actually, describing him as a minion was probably wrong, sorry Ellianne although I know you used it as a description of his position with his firm.

I find minions themselves rather sweet creatures.

Poppyred

Disgusting behaviour, he’s lost his job which seems fitting. He won’t accost anyone else in a hurry!

Good to see the estate agents have some standards. Perhaps they could have a chat with Boris.....

OK, fair enough MawBe it obviously means a lot to you. We'll agree not to call this rowdy, aggressive young man a yob, but we'll assume he's servile or unimportant.

Thanks Aveline

rowdy, aggressive, or violent young man

Let’s not duel over semantics but IMO “rowdy, aggressive snd violent” are more than objective descriptions- they are judgemental and negative.
A “minion” is defined as follows, so describing station in life but not behaviour or characteristics
MINION | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionary - Cambridge University Press
23 Jun 2021 — Meaning of minion in English ... a person who is not important and who has to do what another person of higher rank orders them to do: “He sent one of his minions to do something about it “
One may not be able to alter or control one’s station in life or position in the estate agency hierarchy , but one can control one’s behaviour.

What if it had been a famous female scientist they wanted a selfie with, like the one who had a standing ovation at Wimbledon? Disgusting behavior.
Chris Whitt handled the situation magnificently.

Chris Whitty is very cool, in the best meaning of that words.

Yob may be pejorative but these men richly deserve such an epithet. I stand with Alegrias ( try not to faint Alegrias )

Minion: follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile or unimportant one.

Not sure I agree MawBe Yob is an observation, minion is a judgement.

But much more pejorative

Definition of yob: yob (yŏb)
n. Chiefly British Slang
A rowdy, aggressive, or violent young man

Fits quite well, I think