Prince Harry’s Memoirs, should he or shouldn’t he

I totally agree that when Harry opens his mouth, Meghan's words come out. She ditched her family, now she's showing him how to ditch his. He used to be able to think for himself but she seems to have brainwashed him - and for what? They are going to be two very lonely people a few years from now.

Ellianne

eazybee

Interesting.
I rarely bother to read the political threads anymore because they are dominated by the same few posters expressing the same predictable views. These don't don't trouble me unduly as they are entitled to express their views as I am to mine; I simply don't participate.

One has to wonder what it is that draws you immediately to any thread concerning Harry and Meghan, deriding the posters and attempting to derail the thread, whilst affecting to despise the whole concept of royalty.

Yes, I wondered that.
I have stayed off this thread thinking it might be me who in some ways caused arguments about H & M and thread derailing in the past.
There have been some new contributors since news of the book came out and unsurprisingly the majority are not H & M supporters. Their comments are insightful and pretty much follow the same theme.
Then along come the usual protestors who bring the thread into disarray by not actually adding much of interest, just by deriding other posters. I think I'll head back to the funny H & M post and have some laughs.

If you are referring to me, I am not deriding or derailing. I am simply amazed at the strength of negative feeling expressed, often in nasty language, So that’s why I sometimes go on these threads, as I’m entitled too.

I don’t agree that the majority of posts are “insightful” either, most things have been said before many times, a lot of comments are anti American and there comments which seem to hope the marriage will fail.

I blame the crowd of hysterical idiots who insisted on sobbing
and calling - William, Harry.

The hysterical idiots who ranted on that the queen should be in London not in Balmoral with her grandchildren.

William has said he wanted to walking behind his mother’s coffin, that was the only reason Phillip was there.

And what of the press ‘ Ma am, your country needs you’

The Mass hysteria was so embarrassing.

Sparklefizz

greenlady102

this is a person who, as a CHILD, was expected to go out and talk to the crowds who came to lay flowers for his mother and then was coerced into walking behind her coffin. I feel truly sorry for the Queen and for his brother but as for the rest and the "organisation" they will get what is coming to them.

greenlady We don't know he was coerced. He may have been asked and wanted to join the men. If he hadn't gone along, he may well have been complaining now that he wasn't allowed to.

In actual fact, the Queen and RF wanted to keep William and Harry at Balmoral and away from all the razzmatazz, but it was only Tony Blair and the Great British Public who wanted them to come back to London. The Queen bowed to pressure.

As you are acting as judge and jury and saying "they will get what is coming to them", maybe we, as the public, will get what is coming to us !

Well said Sparklefizz

The mass hysteria was indeed embarrassing. I heard that the Queen and other royals wanted to keep the boys out of the situation in London, but indeed it was, as I remember, at the request of Tony Blair that they returned. What a difficult situation for the family, faced with two children bereaved of their mother. I know what I’d have wanted to do if it was my grandchildren and it is pretty similar to what the RF we’re trying to do.
We’ll never know what happened about the walking. The RF traditionally walk behind the coffin of their loved one at the funeral, as shown by Philip’s funeral. We don’t know if the boys wanted to walk or not. All we know is that their grandfather said he would walk with them. We should neither approve nor condemn this behaviour because it’s nothing to do with any of us. Whatever affect it’s had on Harry is hard to say, but I still feel that if he is troubled, he will not find peace by offering his life on a plate to the whole world.

Well said Spaklefizz and Maddyone.

Kamiso I frankly care not one jot for Harry, his family, or the rest of the royal n'er do wells (except for the elderly lady, who has been blameless, and by upper-class standards worked hard). BUT if you're going to dis people, try to get your facts right: Archewell is NOT a charity, it's a non-profit, which is an entirely different animal. Your 'report' seemed so unlikely, I checked on their website, where they say they are a 501 (c) corp. As you don't do research, here's a short explanation: uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/8-507-8508?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true

Alegrias you have posted about the views of some that M has "corrupted our wonderful Prince". Coercive control is no laughing matter, it is a form of abuse and is now recognised under the law.

It's far more serious than corrupting, it's brain washing and can and does have disastrous consequences, and not just for the victim.

I have always been of the impression that W and H were asked if they wanted to walk behind their mother's coffin, and their GF Prince Phillip said if they did, he would accompany them.

Whether or not this has resulted in lasting emotional/mental damage to H we can have no way of knowing, but you don't have to have had training in psychotherapy to realise that constantly trashing your family is not the answer, if problems do exist.

Coercive control is certainly no laughing matter, which is why it should not be imputed to someone whom none of us has met, nor used as a way of criticising someone in a relationship that we think is of a certain kind. And only think, because of our assumptions and prejudices. None of us know. To suggest such a thing about anybody, let alone somebody we have never met and are only judging from afar, is inappropriate.

I'm not the one who should be criticised here.

IMO what has happened since H met and married M speaks for itself Alegrias and is supported by the fact that apart from her mother, she is estranged from her own family.

There have been suggestions on these threads that some posters are projecting their personal experiences. This may be the case however, for those of us who have estrangement which came after the introduction of a third party, we have our own experiences to draw upon.

You appear to be very selective when it comes to judging "somebody we have never met and are only judging from afar" with your continuous criticism of GN's whose point of view you don't agree with, by ascribing to them the worse of intentions.

You may feel that you're entitled to express these opinions because of what you've read here on GN. Well others are expressing their views based on what they've read, continue to read because despite their claims to want a private life, H just can't keep quiet and what they heard, direct from the mouths of H & M, a great deal being unsubstantiated and rather a lot which proved to be false.

Well said Smileless

If people want to compare their own experiences with the Sussexes’ situation, I can see how that would be an interesting and useful thing for other people in similar situations to read. There are posts on this thread that are talking about how difficult it must be for PH's family, which I think is a very valid thing.

But when I look at some of the other posts, I see the actual character assassination of the two of them based only on what posters believe must be the case; there are all sorts of allegations about them, alleging financial fraud and, for goodness sake, that Meghan was a sex worker. So much blaming of Meghan. So much criticism of Harry because he’s not the same as he used to be. Well that’s not fair.

I don’t think they are hard done by or that they are angels, but I do feel entitled to comment on the fact that there are posters who think they are fair game for all sorts of malicious comments. They are real people, not cartoon characters to be made fun of, despite what you think of what they have done. Express your opinions all you like, I’ve never asked you to stop, but maybe consider how you would feel if a bunch of strangers were writing all kinds of false rumours about you as though they were true.

Or does it not matter because you know they'll never read it?

Well it's not fair for H & M to do character assassinations of their family members is it. There have been all sorts of allegations made about racism, a total lack of concern for M's and H's mental health problems, not being financially supported, Archie being denied the title of Prince which he cannot be given until Charles becomes king, and let's not forget the 'wedding' that took place 3 days before what the world was led to believe was the actual wedding.

Their family members shouldn't be "fair game for all sorts of malicious comments. They are real people, not cartoon characters to be made of fun of despite what (H, M and others) think of what they have done" even if they've actually done what they're being accused of.

I have no idea how I would "feel if a bunch of strangers were writing all kinds of false rumours about (me) as if they were true" but I can imagine how the RF feel, having been on the receiving end of the lies from my own son and his wife.

Let's face it, what strangers may say about you is nothing compared to the pain that's caused when "all sorts of allegations" are made by the GS, son and brother whose loved, and not just said privately but to the entire world.

It might do some good if he were to read it. It might give him the wake up call he needs before it's too late to repair the damage he's done to his relationship with his family, if it isn't too late already.

Well said Smileless we do know what they have said, the lies
they poured out to Oprah and the world.

Who can forget him saying he feared for Meg’s life because his
mother was killed when with Dodi, why not during the two years she was with Hasnet Khan? She even took the cameras to
film her meeting his family.

It is the place of the Gransnet team to comment on examples of character assassination and malicious comments, and if they consider them to be inappropriate they will remove them.

The palpable sense of shock and disgust expressed here has been provoked by Harry and Meghan's deliberate and premeditated actions aimed at causing maximum distress to their families. They have chosen to air their grievances, many unsubstantiated, in public. The Royal Family has not.

Fair enough. M&H behave badly, so it's ok for GNers to behave badly too.

What are we, 3 years old?

In your opinion GNers are behaving badly, in mine and the opinion of many other GNers, H & M have, and continue to behave badly.

What I genuinely don't understand Alegrias is the way you constantly berate those who criticise H & M, and despite the way they continue to behave, the only comment you have to make is they "behave badly".

If only they were 3 years old, the petulant behaviour of a 3 year old is acceptable; the petulant behaviour of a 37 year old is not.

I doubt he has anything to write that people don't already know!
Conversations, thoughts, you name it, somebody knows it.

“ the only comment you have to make is they "behave badly"

Well why is that wrong? ? Surely better that then slating absolutely everything about them.

I agree with alegrias’s points.

What I'm finding difficult to understand Smileless2012 is why people feel so strongly about this. I, myself, don't have strong feelings either way about what M&H do. I think they are living a silly sort of LA lifestyle, and that they may or may not have burned bridges with their respective families, but it doesn't matter, does it? I mean to anybody other than them and those who are directly affected?

I'm not bring provocative; why does it matter so much what they do? What is it about them that makes people think they can say such terrible things about them? I mean really nasty things, with no basis in fact? It really does feel irrational.

I guess it depends on the level of interest in and affection for the royal family. ?

I think IF M & H had come forward early on in their marriage and said, "sorry this life in the RF isn't working for us as a couple, we misjudged the pressures we have come under, we underestimated the issues we would have to cope with, it's making us ill, we really don't want to let anyone down and so, with the blessing of family members, we have decided to retire to a quiet life in Nothumberland," then people might not have minded so much. People would have been disappointed, but sympathetic and understanding, and any unpleasantness towards them would have been minimal and short lived.

What difference does it make to the man in the street, though?
It does provide entertainment to see what they'll get up to next, but I'm also amazed that it seems to enrage people so much.

It makes no difference at all to anyone.
Maybe people get enraged because expectations at the start were so high? Fuelled of course by the media, Harry's obvious enthusiasm for their new roles, and Meghan's explicit intentions (engagement interview) to learn and to deliver.

If you don’t like it don’t read it or read articles about it. Simples.