Staffing the Hospitality Industry

If labour costs too much they will just get rid of them all. What then?
Well, it's a fair point which I dont have a straightforward answer to.
Is it possible or useful to regulate (cap?)the amount of profit a company can release in its shares?
Would it drive out good CEO's if their wages were capped?
Would tourists stop coming here if hotel prices were higher to enable staff to support themselves?
I could go on, but I'm hoping someone else can enlighten me!

It is not just in the UK although speaking to my Son in Scotland it is worse there.
Here a lot of people went home at the start of the pandemic and have not come back, in particular kitchen staff.
A lot of jobs in Belgium are taken by migrant workers, Bus/tram drivers, kitchen and waiting staff and manual workers.
Many have not returned yet, if ever and there is a real shortage.
We will wait and see what happens.

Euro workers
a:don't want to stay here long term usually so don't mind living in very cheap accomodation or tied accomodation
B: don't have rents/mortgage/insurances, to pay usually very low rents with shared flats etc.
C:. Work herein order to send money home where it buys a heck of a lot more than in UK!
I knew a polish girl temping in 80s and she lived in a ten strong house share with students, she got same rate as me, with2 boys and having to use my wages for food and kids school needs.her wages mostly went back home where she eventually followed having had her boyfriend and mates build a house in a field near Gdansk with 5 beds a stable block and paddocks! Her fella was a builder and had been working aug wiedersehen pet-style in Germany for same 5 year's tax Frei!!! So we cannot compete with their ability to "do without" as we're subject to our shocking costs of living!

I've noticed one of local pubs is offering 'live in' options

I know lots of "Euro workers" personally. None of them live in shared accommodation, none of them send money "home" and at least half of them have mortgages.

I'm afraid the stereotypes don't hold up any longer. Not that they ever did, of course.

I agree and it would make a massive difference to everyone's chances of getting on if a national building program à là post war Britain were embarked upon to release the constipated housing markets!!! Affordable homes does actually mean good old fashioned council estate! Not popular to the NIMBYs but nevertheless essential to allow young families on low wages to kick start their lives and that of their children! 'That woman' utterly destroyed the housing stock of UK in 80s and it's never recovered resulting in millions of younger(and now ageing) families stuck in the jaws of private landlords , at the mercy of the Inadequate tenancy laws! I pray that one day soon a government that cares about our people more than itself will get voted in! .....oh and that younger people actually get off their devices long enough to actually VOTE!!

It's a mix between the effects of covid and Brexit.
Although, the college courses were going for quite some time along with Leisure and Tourism. They used to be huge depts and over the past 10 years or so has practically vanished.

Oh feck it, I wasn't insinuating the live in was for eastern europeans, I thought it might be to attract people to work in village pubs that might be difficult to get to, people who may be young and taking their first steps in employment. I thought it was to make these positions more attractive

I didn't think you were JaneJudge. I'm going to go out in the garden and the sun to drink wine. I'll cause less damage that way.

Here here! These are 'student' jobs only. But I also agree that so many younger people want the'footballers lifestyle' on pick n mix wages! I used to work with a junior clerk who had a little 2 ,bed home with boyfriend and 2year old son. She had major gynae. Problems which she used to confide in me and I used to simply say "go to the doctor!" Whenever did, her excuse being it would've months before she saw specialist anyway....I finally lost my rag when she proudly came in wearing a pair of boots costing£400!!! I told her she'd have been better spending that money going private to sort out her lady plumbing!!!! Instead of wasting it on a "sodding bag" ! She wasn't happy with my outburst but as her boss I told her that she should NEVER again moan to me or expect ANY sympathy with her manky bits! I was disgusted by her warped values

Well just before I go into the garden...

As somebody's boss I would never have told them to go private for their healthcare, in any circumstances. What a cheek!

gangy5

Namsnanny You have it in a nutshell..... "If the industry cannot support a living wage then the industry has to change "
The only problem with this is that the extra cost would undoubtedly be passed on to the public. After all we could not expect the big companies to forego some of their profits, leading to less remuneration for the shareholders !!

In principle yes, but please bear in mind that a large part of the shareholders are pension providers so lower pensions all round...

Alegrias1

I didn't think you were JaneJudge. I'm going to go out in the garden and the sun to drink wine. I'll cause less damage that way.

I am relieved you didn't think I thought that
A lot of youngsters don't seem to drive, so I suppose a live in in a village would be ideal if that is how you wanted to progress your career. It is so expensive to learn to drive. I offered to pay for one of my daughters support workers to have some lessons (as a contribution) but I'm not allowed to because of some bollocks like boundaries - I have plenty of those. i need more support workers that can drive!

First, when I was younger it was normal for students to work on farms during the holidays, doing the picking as it was called. Some even went to France to help with the grapes. But these days do students work in their holidays, I don't know many who do.
Secondly my son works in a warehouse that employed on a temporary basis many EU nationals who came over for a set time and lived in motorhomes near the site. Well they have all gone now and his large international firm has given all employees a £60 a week rise, plus a 3 monthly bonus and it hoped this will attract more workers and also keep staff. I am afraid wages just have to go up at the bottom end to attract people and also to help eradicate poverty. Living on benefits is not the first choice for most people,