Mridul Wadhwa - Male CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

Can you actually add anything to the discussion Gagajo or do you just pop on from time to time to wag a finger in admonishment and warn posters of you know what will happen?

I could. I read the comments but engaging is a waste of time because the intention is just to twist and insult.

Trisher, however does. And the rudness she faces is ridiculous.

Oh, the irony.

It’s now becoming more obvious that not only women will suffer. I saw a tweet from one gay man who said he wished he’s listened to the lesbians back when they were protesting in 2014 and a comment reflecting his treatment.“Yeah, well mate. Reframe your trauma, only wear the clothes you’re allowed to and don’t enter spaces where the mob rules.”

Just in case you’re unsure, the mob he is referring to above, are TW.

It's not as simple as that to be honest. There were transwomen in that group but also I am guessing, gay men, straight women etc etc. Straight men online are certainly loving a chance to put women in their place. Some of the most vocal gender critical people I read are transwomen.

You’re right about the make-up of the group in Manchester Galaxy, and I know it could be reduced to the fact that it was only ‘a small percentage’ of gay men who were treated badly, but what I read on GN is that the following cartoon is true-well except there’s not quite such a big mob.

It is so funny that the people attending a Pride parade, which was advertised as trans-inclusive, who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, binary, transmen and transwomen, have now been labelled trans activist. Really!!! These are the very people you are supposedly supporting. You have apparently condemned them with no consideration whatsoever. If shouting at a man who knew exactly what he was doing is wrong then so is labelling everyone who attended a Pride event.
If LGB wanted to hold their own exclusive Gay event there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing so.
By the way this isn't a discussion. It's a slagfest. I only come on here to say what ridiculous things you are now claiming.

That should have been "see" but actually "say" fits as well. Someone has to speak out about reality and not the strange transphobic world you inhabit.
Incidentally any ideas I had that you might not be transphobic have been completely eradicated. You apparently see trans activists everywhere.

Trisher it’s never been a discussion. I can’t discuss with you because of how you present everything.
And if you’d read my post you’d have realised that I said the mob are those on GN that won’t accept that some transwomen are determined to have the rights of TW placed above the rights of women.
Now who could I mean by that?

These threads are rarely, if ever, discussions, unfortunately. You only come on to twist what we say and attempt to divert the conversation when you are unable to answer questions, and your acolyte contributes nothing at all - the odd insult, maybe, or some sort of proclamation of her virtue, but nothing that can actually be discussed.

Discussion is therefore impossible. We have said what we think, and the rest of our posts are responding to the way our words are twisted, or pointing out the massive leaps in what passes for your logic.

As for a slagfest - that’s rich, when you look at the names you have called anyone who disagrees with you. What is said against you is that your arguments don’t hold water, and that your opinions are anti-feminist and sometimes misogynistic. I haven’t seen anyone resorting to ‘ liar, Nazi, stupid, ignorant, amusing, bigoted, transphobic, unequal’ and far more (remembering your insults is like a game of ‘I went to market’), so I will add ‘disingenuous’ to the short list of personal comments people have, despite intense provocation, used against you.

Wow Mollygo Me and Gagajo are a "mob" now. I always knew I was loud and outspoken but there is still only one of me (I think)

Doodledog I don't need to "twist" anything. The way the discussion moves on when I point out the disparities and falsehoods in many of the posts speaks for itself.
I advise you to reread the posts the term "Nazi" is there and it is used about me. But I realise accuracy is a problem.

Oh no , trisher. Apology please. I never used the term Nazi about you.

I said quite clearly that gay erasure (an acknowledged rants policy) was also a Nazi policy, which is historical fact.

But another little twist in what was actually said, in order to present yourself as the victim.

Any chance you will say you made a mistake?

Ha, ha, trans has come out rants.

Freudian slip?

Did I say it was you trisher?
Read the post. I said what the mob represented.
Are you finally agreeing that “some transwomen are determined to have the rights of TW placed above the rights of women”?
This could be the start of a real discussion.

Peasblossom

Clearly you are part of the gay/lesbian erasure movement.

A Nazi philosophy, I believe.

Here's your post Peasblossom By stating I am part of a Gay Lesbian erasure movement and that that was a Nazi policy you therefore imply by association I am a Nazi
If you want to apologise for this I'm fine with that. But the term Nazi remains. And it is aimed at me.

Mollygo you said the mob are those on GN that won’t accept that some transwomen are determined to have the rights of TW placed above the rights of women.
Now who could I mean by that?
Well who do you mean?

What a morning for denial and obfuscation It really confirms my opinions about some of you.

Doodledog I don't need to "twist" anything. The way the discussion moves on when I point out the disparities and falsehoods in many of the posts speaks for itself. I advise you to reread the posts the term "Nazi" is there and it is used about me. But I realise accuracy is a problem.

I invite you to give an example of where you have 'pointed out disparities and falsehoods', as you keep saying you do. By that, I don't mean you countering one opinion with another, diverting the conversation, using a false equivalence or presenting us with a disconnected random fact (eg MW has 16 years' experience of 'dealing with violence'). I mean you showing a disparity (whatever that means in this context) or a falsehood.

I understand the term 'Nazi', thank you - I don't need to look it up. Your Gideon's Law comments may or may not have been used on this particular thread (as I say, it's like a game of 'I went to market), but you have definitely compared gender-critical thinking to the way in which the Nazis operated.

I was not using the term against you - that is another example of what others say being twisted, just as Molly's 'mob' comment wasn't about you. Instead of reading the posts you seem to just jump on a point and bat it back, which may explain some of the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in your posts.

trisher

Peasblossom

Clearly you are part of the gay/lesbian erasure movement.

A Nazi philosophy, I believe.

Here's your post Peasblossom By stating I am part of a Gay Lesbian erasure movement and that that was a Nazi policy you therefore imply by association I am a Nazi
If you want to apologise for this I'm fine with that. But the term Nazi remains. And it is aimed at me.

Is that the same as the way you have compared Nazis separating people into groups for extermination with gender-critical thinking?

Perhaps you would like to apologise for doing that?

I think you've been unendingly patient and treated their ludicrous flights of fantasy with far more respect than most would or could trisher.

But it's like trying to discuss with Trump. He who shouts loudest and longest to try to drown out dissent. If it wasn't for the fact the majority of them have probably never actually met a trans person, I'd be worried.

Association? Nah you’ve already said you don’t believe in that. You know when I said that women who’ve been raped would associate a penis with their trauma and you dismissed it.

You do clearly support the policy of gay erasure. I’ve asked you about this policy several times and you either ignore or support the trans lobby.

And it was a Nazi policy.

If you want to align yourself with it , that’s up to you.

GagaJo

I think you've been unendingly patient and treated their ludicrous flights of fantasy with far more respect than most would or could trisher.

But it's like trying to discuss with Trump. He who shouts loudest and longest to try to drown out dissent. If it wasn't for the fact the majority of them have probably never actually met a trans person, I'd be worried.

I met my first trans women when I was 13, they taught me a lot.

Did I say it was you trisher?
If you are saying that you see yourself as one of those that “won’t accept that some transwomen are determined to have the rights of TW placed above the rights of women” I won’t call you a liar or use some of the insults you’ve used.
GJ you say “have probably never actually met a trans person”? You know this how? Or is this another generalisation?
Shouting loudest? Now let me think. Who was it on GN who claimed to be loud?

Gaga, are you ever going to contribute anything other than spiteful slurs?

I went to Gransnet looking for discussion, and I was called 'Trumpian, stupid, bigoted, ignorant, Nazi, unequal, ill-informed, homophobic, ludicrous . . . . .'

Galaxy, your post of 9:40 is spot on:
It's not as simple as that to be honest. There were transwomen in that group but also I am guessing, gay men, straight women etc etc. Straight men online are certainly loving a chance to put women in their place. Some of the most vocal gender critical people I read are transwomen.

TRAs are, IMO, propping up the patriarchal system. If men can't succeed on their own terms they can push into women's sport, shortlists and spaces, where they can dominate. I agree that many transwomen are critical of this, as they can see how much it damages their chances of acceptance as people who just want to live quiet lives. Those chances are diminished with every story such as the one about the Pride incident, and they just want TRAs to go away.