Mridul Wadhwa - Male CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

trisher
Free speech is what we all have on here. Each of us has the freedom to say what we feel and you have made the most of that on this thread, posting about what you see as others’ lies whilst supporting the right of someone who has very publicly lied by omission.
Your freedom of speech allowed you to say that an applicant for a job had no need to declare a fact that immediately made the application a lie and later add that a s/he knew a trustee related to that job who knew s/he was a TW. In most jobs, knowledge of anything about a candidate relating to the job should be declared.
Your freedom of speech allows you to comment on low percentages as a reason for it not to be important that a woman’s concern is not important.
Your freedom of speech allows you to say that what others see as visible truths and concerns are ‘unbelievable’.
My feminism and my right to freedom of speech is just as valid as yours and no less believable.
I can’t be accused of misgendering someone I perceive as a man because of his actions and his demands about what women should accept.
If I referred to you as ‘he’ that might well be misgendering, because unless you declare otherwise , you are a GN member. Most people on GN appear to be female. Those that aren’t, often declare their position, but are under no compulsion to do so and I would refer to them as she unless told otherwise.
Your excuse of being raised in a patriarchal society makes your reluctance to support women’s rights all the more confusing.
Why would you not support the rights women have fought so hard to get and to retain on the grounds that you think all TWAW, even when you are given examples of why through their speech, actions and behaviour, some TWANW. (Transwomen are not women, in case you can’t work out the acronym.)
Re the young feminists you know-of course they will support the same views on inclusion as you do. You’re older than they are and have said you can be antagonistic.

In general I am not antagonistic, but in the same way, the young feminists of my acquaintance, varying from teens to 40’s are currently very worried about what they see as the encroachment of actively male selfID’d TW into their world.
They are certainly more knowledgeable about transgender than I was at their age, but equally more questioning about how the role of women is being impacted and implications of irreversible treatment versus self ID.

I don't ^ castigate anybody who thinks they can identify MW's motives^ I post inaccuracies and false assumpions people have made. Like she counsells rape victims or she will force rape victims to reframe their trauma. Neither of which is true.

I think you will find I have done it once. It was what might be called a sarcastic response. We certainly don't need to continually post it one after another, which might be legitimately described as the online equivalent of chanting.

Pride was always a festival of support for people who have been persecuted because of their sexuality. Trans people have been persecuted, but not for this - as we all know, trans issues are not about sexuality. They are already piggy-backing onto an established cause, and it's gone from that to excluding members of the original group who do not kowtow to their bullying ways.

I think you might find that many of the 'young feminists' who encourage you are starting to follow we older ones in that they are seeing the way that trans rights, when taken to extremes, are actually anti-feminist in their application.

Re the 'good post' comment, there are times when you go to write something and find that the person above you has said what you wanted to say, so rather than repeat it all, you acknowledge their post. You and GagoJo have done it on one another's posts, so I'm sure you understand the concept. The difference is that you two are lone voices, for what, to me, are obvious reasons.

The right to walk safely through the streets should only available to those gay men I agree with.

One man who may be gay
well he says he is, but you're trying to cast doubt with absolutely zero evidence, but that hasn't stopped you before either.

So yes he probably should have been allowed to stay , I think the response was understandable and was what he wanted so perhaps holding his hand would have been more appropriate.

Your insider knowledge of the motive of someone you've never met is just astounding! What a gift! Yet you castigate anybody who thinks they can identify MW's motives. It's never a level playing field.

So let me get this straight. One man who may be gay leaves a trans inclusive event because he is chanted at and he is to be sympathised with (although he must have known exactly what he was doing) and he is a victim.
But you can misgender someone, post inaccuracies about them, accuse them of things they haven't done, said or meant. Egg on these comments by statements such as "good post". Try to silence me by making disparaging comments and you imagine you are somehow proponents of free speech.
It is unbelievable.

I'll fully acknowledge that my response to the action at Pride probably doesn't completely align with my feminist beliefs. I can be antagonistic, it is partly the resullt of being raised in a patriarchal society where I feel I needed to fight my corner. I am enormously grateful to the young feminists who are much more inclusive than me and who are helping me adjust my more combative responses in favour of inclusion.
So yes he probably should have been allowed to stay , I think the response was understandable and was what he wanted so perhaps holding his hand would have been more appropriate. But I do understand the difficulties others had with him.

Sorry, isn’t a feminist except by her own definition, which allows her to say all the things she says, and justify the erosion of women’s rights and now evidently gay rights.

He wasn't attacked. He was simply chanted at (and the people who followed him were mostly women. most of the men looked a bit gobsmacked)

He was advised to leave for his own safety by the police. So trisher you'd be OK with a group targeting a transperson/ tra who they didn't welcome to their meeting exhibiting exactly the same behaviour, chanting, following at uncomfortably close quarters, telling them to go, calling them hateful names? Somehow I doubt that very much.

But trisher isn’t a feminist.

pinkquartz

*I would have imagined any self asserted feminist would know this*
trisher

I don't even know what that means.......

an event (any event) organised under the umbrella of an inclusive orgainisation or theory wearing something that reveals you have real opposition to some of the people taking part and organising that event you shouldn't be surprised if the people taking part object to your presence

The above is worse behaviour than football fans......people who should know better shouldn't they be above this kind of violence and bigotry?

trisher There is no excuse for what took place. It is very depressing to see behaviour go backwards.

I am observng you do like your theories. A theory is just something another person made up. It is only words. Nothing more.

I'm sure the counsellors using feminist rape theory to counsel victims will appreciate your words pinkquartz

I would have imagined any self asserted feminist would know this
trisher

I don't even know what that means.......

an event (any event) organised under the umbrella of an inclusive orgainisation or theory wearing something that reveals you have real opposition to some of the people taking part and organising that event you shouldn't be surprised if the people taking part object to your presence

The above is worse behaviour than football fans......people who should know better shouldn't they be above this kind of violence and bigotry?

trisher There is no excuse for what took place. It is very depressing to see behaviour go backwards.

I am observng you do like your theories. A theory is just something another person made up. It is only words. Nothing more.

Chanting and calling out as a means of expressing distaste for someone's views is not bullying or intimidation.
It has a long history of a way of expressing beliefs in freedom and inclusivity. If you turn up at a trans inclusive event then the people who are there will be trans inclusive. That means your views will be challenged. If you turn up at Conservative event wearing a Labour T shirt, you won't be quietly escorted away by police you will be ejected by the stewards.
He wasn't attacked. He was simply chanted at (and the people who followed him were mostly women. most of the men looked a bit gobsmacked)

Rosie51

trisher so you would deny lesbian, gay and bisexual people the right to go to a Pride event if they're not fully signed up to the trans rights activists ideals? Your comparison with the EDL league is just revolting, and truly illustrates where your thinking belongs. That you aren't even the tiniest bit disturbed by that level of intimidating bullying says so much about your agenda. Such hateful behaviour towards another human should be intolerable to anyone with a grain of decency. I hope actions such as this will open many more eyes to the hatefest that is growing towards anyone who doesn't bow down to this new "religion" We'll be going back to the days when you could be fined for non Church attendance if we're not careful, only this will be extermination if you don't chant TWAW, TMAM. Believing sex is immutable and binary is a protected characteristic.

That you aren't even the tiniest bit disturbed by that level of intimidating bullying says so much about your agenda. Such hateful behaviour towards another human should be intolerable to anyone with a grain of decency.

quoting my own post because this needs saying again. Intimidation by mobs against one individual should be abhorrent to anyone. That you don't care in the slightest trisher is disturbing.

Gay peoples rights are only important if they believe what I believe.

Good diversion trisher.
Well analysed Peaseblossom and they were there to do exactly what they did.

Aveline

Getting desperate Trisher?

Desperate???? No I find all the posturing hilarious and the misinformation ridiculous. It's actually funny. I'm simply taking the piss.
Mind I suppose it helps get you all out of the ridiculous assertion that feminist theory of rape counselling is somehow male.

Getting desperate Trisher?

Peasblossom

Don’t deflect.

Thugs who persecute.

This is how it starts.

I take that as a general perception of all those attending "Pride" this year then? If you are LGBTQ supportive you are a thug?

Don’t deflect.

Thugs who persecute.

This is how it starts.

Do you really think that all those people chanting were trans? Really it is laughable!
On the LGB website this amused me
The Conservatives in power earned the gratitude of all gay people in the UK for enacting legislation for Equal Marriage
Most of the gay people I know remember the Conservatives for Clause 28. Which when you think about it accused homosexuals of exactly the sort of things transpeople are being accused of now.

trisher

For those who won't do links. The ethos is quite clear

Mark Fletcher, chief executive for Manchester Pride, said: “This year’s festival will be one to remember after over a year of LGBTQ+ people facing tough times and further isolation during the period of lockdown, we can now once again, reunite. Our city has always taken a leading role in the advancement of LGBTQ+ equality and we’re looking forward to welcoming LGBTQ+ people and their allies back to our annual festival.”

“We aspire to support every single LGBTQ+ person within our varied communities and let them know, that no matter how difficult the year has been, we have maintained our commitment to our vision of a world where LGBTQ+ people are free to live and love without prejudice.”

For thse who seem not to know the "T" is "Trans"

Well the trans lobby clearly don’t agree with that.

So why were they there?

Clearly you are part of the gay/lesbian erasure movement.

A Nazi philosophy, I believe.

trisher the LGB alliance doesn't deny trans existence. It acknowledges there are people who identify as trans, but believe the science that sex is immutable and binary, and homosexuality is same sex attraction, nothing to do with gender identity or presentation. Like most people they don't recognise lady penis or male vulva.

For those who won't do links. The ethos is quite clear

Mark Fletcher, chief executive for Manchester Pride, said: “This year’s festival will be one to remember after over a year of LGBTQ+ people facing tough times and further isolation during the period of lockdown, we can now once again, reunite. Our city has always taken a leading role in the advancement of LGBTQ+ equality and we’re looking forward to welcoming LGBTQ+ people and their allies back to our annual festival.”

“We aspire to support every single LGBTQ+ person within our varied communities and let them know, that no matter how difficult the year has been, we have maintained our commitment to our vision of a world where LGBTQ+ people are free to live and love without prejudice.”

For thse who seem not to know the "T" is "Trans"