Poor baby - run home to mummy!

Alegrias1 Its perfectly possible to want a change of governmental systems without wanting to string people up from lamp-posts

Indeed. To quote your fellow countryperson Billy Connolly (although I don't think he was talking about the RF) "Hanging's too good for them, it's a good kick up the *rse they need..."

The monarchy embodies what's wrong with the UK – it's time to let it decay

www.thenational.scot/news/18940378.monarchy-embodies-wrong-uk---time-let-decay/

There are countries with republics and very successful people in their own right as presidents. Ireland Germany to name two there are more. We do not know the queen.

I think the bar for behaviour is set quite generously. True, Andrew could have been born first. But we don’t really know the Queen as a person at all.
However we do know that she and Charles lobbied aggressively to avoid climate related costs their activities and estates incurred in Scotland. They look after themselves and their own interests behind a cloak of secrecy.

But we don’t really know the Queen as a person at all

^^This. I agree, we don't know her or her character at all. We know she's done her duty for decades and for that we assume the best obviously.

But given this is a person that has never given an interview, never expressed her views on anything, we have no idea, we can only express a view on her by her actions but we are fed what we should be thinking about HMQ by the press, given that is pro-royalty, pro-Queen, we actually haven't a clue.

President of Ireland

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As well as having a successful political career Higgins has had a career as a poet and broadcaster and has produced works of non-fiction.

He has contributed widely to political and philosophical journals on numerous subjects, among them ideology, the sociology of literature, clientelism in politics, regionalism and the politics of the media.

Higgins has had poems published in a number of periodicals, as well as publishing four collections of his poetry, including The Betrayal (1990), his second book of poems The Season of Fire (1993) and his latest book An Arid Season (2004).

Higgins has campaigned for human rights and written of conflict in many parts of the world, including such areas as Nicaragua, Chile, Cambodia, El Salvador, Iraq and Somalia.

And there's just a lot of love for him.

14 Reasons We Love President Michael D. Higgins
Irish people know how blessed they are to have Michael D. Higgins as our president. So here's 14 reasons why we love Mickey D!
collegetimes.com

And there's a song about him, by the Saw Doctors.

Other presidents and their successful careers by Republic.

A German president has four children like the queen Each of them have done extremely well in their careers.

Lucca

Anyway…. I’ll now indulge my pet peeve. Has OP returned to back up her thread opener ?

I wondered that myself.
I thought that this thread would just disappear as it wasn’t exactly met with applause, but it’s trundling along like a good ‘un.
What is it about Royal threads?
Or is it the heady mix of you, me, Alegrias and Annie?

FannyCornforth

Oh no! I was only trying to explain!
My views are the same as yours Alegrias, but probably a little less forthright!

I know what you mean Fanny

But its like being portrayed as an unfeeling person who just wants them all thrown out on the streets, and to be honest I'm a bit fed up of it. Its perfectly possible to want a change of governmental systems without wanting to string people up from lamp-posts and without being a closet revolutionary. No doubt some people are extreme, but some people just want to see fairness in our system.

Can I please make clear that those weren’t my own thoughts on Republicans

(Annie look what you’ve done! )

Anyway…. I’ll now indulge my pet peeve. Has OP returned to back up her thread opener ?

Alegrias. Me too. Im a fairly easygoing republican and object to being accused of thinking RF have no feelings.

I’m wearing my hair shirt Fanny et al. Just about to start the self-flagellation ...

Oh no! I was only trying to explain!
My views are the same as yours Alegrias, but probably a little less forthright!

FannyCornforth

*GermanShepherds Mum*

Annie was saying that it’s Republicans who think that the RF aren’t ‘real human beings’ with feelings etc.
Those aren’t Annies own opinions, like others have said - it’s sarcasm.
Annie is definitely a proud monarchist, I hope she doesn’t mind me saying that!

'Scuse me, 'scuse me ??

This republican doesn't think the RF aren't real human beings. This republican would like a republic. This republican admires the Queen as a person. This republican quite enjoyed seeing the Duchess of Cornwall on Gardeners World.

This republican doesn't like being stereotyped.

Then my very sincere apologies Annie. I’d only looked at this thread. I thought it seemed very unlike you, from what I’ve seen you post elsewhere. Mea culpa. ?

Cross post!

GermanShepherds Mum

Annie was saying that it’s Republicans who think that the RF aren’t ‘real human beings’ with feelings etc.
Those aren’t Annies own opinions, like others have said - it’s sarcasm.
Annie is definitely a proud monarchist, I hope she doesn’t mind me saying that!

So sorry Germansherperdsmum. I don’t think you have read
the many, many threads on the RF, I understand why you thought that posts was my views on the RF.

Lucca got it ?

I must be having a particularly thick day as I really don’t know what I have misunderstood.
The RF are not human.
They don’t have any emotions because they have wealth.
They bleed liquid gold not blood.
They don’t experience love, fear, sadness, grief.
Which statement have I misunderstood?

She was being sarcastic Germansheohersmum

Germansheperdsmum. You misunderstood my post .

I was referring to the posts which keep bringing the wealth of
the RF into discussions.

Alegrias1

How easily online posts can be misunderstood....

So true !

andrew was already staying out of public view and i think it was good that he has stayed by the queens side as she grieved for her husband

How easily online posts can be misunderstood....

I was sad to read your post Annie. You are saying that anyone who has wealth doesn’t have emotions. That really was gratuitously offensive, to borrow MOnica’s words, and not only to the RF. Being in the public eye, the RF have been brought up not to wear their hearts on their sleeves, but I don’t doubt that for instance HM loved and grieved the loss of her husband, William’s marriage is happy and his children are much loved, and he and his brother grieved and still grieve the loss of their mother. Prince Charles clearly showed his emotion following the death of his father, and his marriage to Camilla is obviously a love match, likewise Edward and Sophie’s marriage. I could go on. The monarchy has brought stability to this country for the whole of our lifetimes and that is something I for one am grateful for.

Um… royalists have written rather unpleasant things about some members of the family too?!

It is indeed possible to support an idea without being gratuitously offensive, I agree.

Apologies for repeating myself, but I try never to be gratuitously offensive. But to decide not to support republicanism because there are a few vocal people who are nasty about the RF is missing the point.

I'm a vegetarian, I don't decide not to follow it because of the extreme views of some activists. I'm a supporter of independence for Scotland; I don't give that up because of the extremists we saw on the border at the start of the pandemic.

Surely its better to look at the actual arguments pro and con rather than base it on the views of people you think are extreme?

I do not need excuses for any decisions I reach, but I can only judge Republicans and their cause by what I have read on this and other threads on GN. Previously it was not a subject that particularly exercised my mind.

I would not now want to support the Republican cause because I can only judge its supporters by what I read on GN and what they write is nasty and unpleasant. and I would not want to seek the company of those who write the that kind of post. it is quite possible to oppose an idea, or political party without being gratuitiously offensive.