M25 protesters chaos

Trisher in this case it didn’t show the government up but the protestors who just inconvenienced and alienated people to their cause.

Ambulances do use the motorways depending on location. This is where smart motorways are a problem as there is no hard shoulder. I have seen ambulances, fire engines, and police attending crashes.

Ambulance with sirens and lights over took us on the M11 on Wednesday trisher here in the SE it’s a common occurrence.

When I was working in the nearby city, and travelled to work early in the morning, I often saw blue light ambulances, presumably taking people to the hospital which is just off the motorway.

But their protest doesn’t actually relate to what they’re protesting about. You need to do something visual that will stick in people’s minds. How about wrapping a house up in something recyclable or something like that. What visual link is there with sitting on a motorway to encourage people to insulate their homes? I’d like to know what the protestors actually do in other ways to benefit society. Do they do voluntary work? Do they work?

Yes many of them work and take annual leave to protest. Many are retired. Many do voluntary work. Just like normal people.

MayBee70

But their protest doesn’t actually relate to what they’re protesting about. You need to do something visual that will stick in people’s minds. How about wrapping a house up in something recyclable or something like that. What visual link is there with sitting on a motorway to encourage people to insulate their homes? I’d like to know what the protestors actually do in other ways to benefit society. Do they do voluntary work? Do they work?

The suffragettes used to set fire to post boxes. Didn't have much to do with women's suffrage but it certainly focussed the mind.

trisher ambulances all the time near us on the M27 and M3.

trisher

25Avalon

Air ambulance do a magnificent job but whilst most hospitals have helipads for them to land on, it’s not so simple to land and pick a sick person up. In the country it is much easier. In town and on blocked motorways not quite so easy. If you are seriously ill every second counts.

Exactly so most seriously ill people are not transported on motorways because of the traffic problem. When did you last see an ambulance flashing its blue light on a motorway?

When did you last see an ambulance flashing its blue light on a motorway?

Yesterday, before that Thursday, Friday last week.
Often

trisher When did you last see an ambulance flashing its blue light on a motorway?

Wednesday, the last time I was on a motorway. It's totally usual to see ambulances with blue lights (and sirens when following the unobservant who don't use their rear mirror) using motorways in the south and southeast. I really cannot believe the rest of the country is so different. Where did you find the information that seriously ill people aren't transported by ambulance via motorways?

Air ambulance do a magnificent job but whilst most hospitals have helipads for them to land on,
Do most hospitals have helipads?
A new one several miles away does but I don't think any others do.

Scones

Mollygo

Attention seeking-it goes on all the time. I bet few of them walked to cause the disruption. Some of them, ?? probably bought burgers to eat and wore leather footwear from animals that pollute, and those that didn’t, wore man made materials, and plastic which contribute to pollution. I wonder how many plastic water bottles were in use? It’s serious, but that’s a stupid way to protest.

I expect some people at Epsom complained about Emily Davison holding up the races.

Oh am sure they did. But did she cause a four car pile up, and a stroke victim to get worse, because her son couldn’t get through the melee.

That’s really great for the environment isn’t it, needing to use helicopters to transport sick people in case protestors decide to block a motorway.

Good point MayBee.

I’m surprised so many on here are defending the antics of these people.

Alienating the public is not the way to get their point across, and as I said earlier, the government here has already got plans in place.

Although the example of China is dismissed by some posters, the fact remains that anything we do is a mere drop in the ocean if China has no intention of changing its ways.

I thought the woman was taken to Addenbrookes? they definitely have a helipad

I am overtaken regularly on the A1 by ambulances and police cars and those frightening fast undercover coppers

Hospitals with no motorways within reach often have helipads, also those which have a rural hinterland and large distances for patients to come from.

If these protestors are alienating someone like me that totally supports them for the thing they’re protesting about but not the way they’re going about it, they’re not likely to gain the support of people that don’t usually give it a second thought. I don’t think it’s going to give them a light bulb moment.

The M25 is constantly blocked up by idiots driving badly, nobody complains about them. As for pointing fingers saying “ I bet nobody walked there , what are their shoes made of etc “ is ridiculous - do you think they are doing this for fun? that the climate emergency is not worth protesting about? There are retired grandparents, vicars, people who have taken leave from work amongst “them”. some of them are vegans who try to live a more sustainable life, maybe they aren’t perfect but who is?

maddyone

^I would have been furious with the protesters if I had been on the M25 this week.^

So would I, and I would have expected the police to remove them pretty swiftly. The orders to go softly, softly must have come from up high in the police force. I have no idea why police management would choose to make that decision, but I imagine the police officers on duty would have loved to remove them rapidly just as much as the motorists wanted them moved rapidly.

Cressida Dick and the chiefs of the Home Counties police forces have been told by Pritti Patel to ditch the softly, softly approach and about time too. When police stop the traffic in order to usher the protesters onto the motorway , it truly beggars belief. One protester was impressed by the mollycoddling police as motorway users had previously been shouting some unpleasant things to them. Diddums!

vegansrock

The M25 is constantly blocked up by idiots driving badly, nobody complains about them. As for pointing fingers saying “ I bet nobody walked there , what are their shoes made of etc “ is ridiculous - do you think they are doing this for fun? that the climate emergency is not worth protesting about? There are retired grandparents, vicars, people who have taken leave from work amongst “them”. some of them are vegans who try to live a more sustainable life, maybe they aren’t perfect but who is?

I think you'll find there are plenty of complaints about the idiot drivers on the M25, you seem to be complaining about them yourself.

What do the protestors think the traffic they brought to a standstill can do about enacting policies to avert climate change? Why do they not care about the impact, sometimes horrendous, of their actions on innocent people? During one of the XR protests before Covid that blocked access to a hospital a man wasn't able to get through to see his dying father. One of their representatives just said he was collateral damage. No compassion, no regret. Are you not bothered if a seriously ill person was trapped in an ambulance in the gridlock?

do you think they are doing this for fun? that the climate emergency is not worth protesting about?

Not at all.

But antagonising the public is not the way to win over anyone.
People will concentrate their minds on what they did and not on the purpose of their protest.

They need to take advice from behavioural psychologists because they don't appear to have a clue how to get people to heed their message.

What was the message this time btw? Insulating homes? Building every new home to be eco-friendly and with solar panels to generate its own fuel?
I am all for that.

Lost in translation as far as most of us are concerned.

I think this is worth saying again.

They're not trying to win you over. They're trying to make the government pay attention to them.you're

Sorry, extra "you're" there.

They won't though.

They will listen to the science, not protesters