M&S diversity officers give staff pronoun badges……. a step too far?

trisher

The fact is that prisons are dangerous places for everyone and violence is not confined to any sex or gender. Risk assessment and supervision should be better for all who are sentenced to any period of imprisonment. Sadly the privatisation and the reduction in numbers of prison staff have made them even less safe. Still let's focus on transpeople and ignore everything else.
It has been suggested that one of the reasons incidents involving transwomen in women's prisons are more numerous is because it is seen as more acceptable to report transwomen whereas reporting a ciswomen for violence is seen as "grassing"
It's sometingthat needs addressing but reducing it to a trans issue is failing so. many other people.

It has been suggested . . . By whom? Source?
What a pile of xxxx
Female violence against females in prisons is an issue but has nothing to do with male, sorry, TW violence against women in women’s prisons.
I don’t have your evident experience of life in prison to know about whether reporting female violence is known as grassing.
I do know that putting TW in female prisons for crimes involving violence against females is wrong.

Incidently "You" is a pronoun which can be used for one or several people . This is commonly known as second person and is often used when addressing others wether singly or collectively it does not mean a post is addressed to any single person

trisher

*TRAs, however, would like women to be referred to as 'people with cervices' or 'vagina havers', as some transmen are uncomfortable with the fact that they are, in fact, female, and don't want to be referred to as women.*
No the "people with cervixes" are transmen who because they are registered as male on their health information do not routinely get called in for smear tests like women are. and who don't identfy as women so are "people with cervixes". I thought you believed people could refer to themselves by whatever term they choose.

No the "people with cervixes" are transmen so why do they object to "women and people with cervices" on the campaigns encouraging 'people' to present for smear tests. I've read an inordinate number of posts by you where you have argued for the removal of the terms women, mother etc as not inclusive to be replaced with the terms such as people with a cervix, birthing person rtc, do you now agree women should be able to be referred to as women, mothers in this literature? Perhaps for the purpose of health care safety transmen should have their sex marked accurately as F on their medical records with a note that they have a gender identity of M. The reverse of course for transwomen so they are not erroneously called for smear tests they will never need, despite David Lammy being convinced they can grow one with a procedure and hormones.

trisher

*TRAs, however, would like women to be referred to as 'people with cervices' or 'vagina havers', as some transmen are uncomfortable with the fact that they are, in fact, female, and don't want to be referred to as women.*
No the "people with cervixes" are transmen who because they are registered as male on their health information do not routinely get called in for smear tests like women are. and who don't identfy as women so are "people with cervixes". I thought you believed people could refer to themselves by whatever term they choose.

I couldn't care less what people call themselves. It's when they include others in their mangling of the language that I get annoyed. If transmen want to be called 'people with cervices' that's up to them, but when women are included in that it annoys many, including me, and will potentially exclude women with English as a second or other language, and those with limited biological knowledge, who may not realise that the term applies to them. We've been through all of this, though, so no need to do it all again.

Still, it's good to have had that small point cleared up, instead of the numerous more important points I raised earlier, isn't it?

Sorry, Rosie - I wasn't ignoring your post. I left the laptop open at the previous page and replied without realising that the thread had moved on.

No need to be sorry Doodledog I frequently forget to refresh the page before posting to find it's moved on. Your phrase 'mangling of the language' is spot on.

Doodledog it’s no use telling some or any number of people that the mangling of the language has already been covered, so no need to do it all again. Their urge to repeat is strong.