What about female sex offenders who assault men? ( Another trans thread)

I’m not sure what point they are making. Biological female sex offenders would be housed in women’s prisons.

Why is this another trans thread?

It's so pointless and I'm surprised that gransnet is happy to be a platform for so much anti trans conversation lately.

I'll leave you all to your echo chambers.

It's clutching at straws to say that female sex offenders exist and claim that policy should be centred around that. Of course they exist, but they are few and far between, and the only ones I can think of (although I'm no expert on the subject) have committed crimes against children, rather than men, and in any case they wouldn't be in a male prison. A woman who has sexually abused children would be segregated for her own safety in a woman's prison.

Isn't it a widely held view that sex crimes are about power, rather than sex, so in most cases they are carried out by the strong on the weak? It doesn't surprise me, therefore, that the numbers of transwomen sex offenders will be greater than the number of women imprisoned for sex offences. Not only that, the number of male violent criminals is far greater than the number of female ones, and the number of assaults by men on women is far greater than the other way round.

For all of those reasons, plus the fact that the majority of transwomen are not medically transitioned, so have penises and male hormones, it makes no sense at all to house them in female prisons.

It may well be the case that transwomen are at risk in male prisons, but I can see no reason why the answer to that should be to house them in female ones, particularly if they have been convicted of sex crimes or crimes of violence. What sort of logic, other than one based on misogyny, would see that as a good idea?

VioletSky

Why is this another trans thread?

It's so pointless and I'm surprised that gransnet is happy to be a platform for so much anti trans conversation lately.

I'll leave you all to your echo chambers.

Mumsnet and GN are linked. Mumsnet is known for allowing aggressive gender critical groups to hound out anyone that tries to engage in discussion.

GN isn't as bad. Yet. It's something that I feel strongly about too, but it is just the same few posters on here discussing it. Easy to leave them to get on with it.

It's the same few (very few) posters disagreeing with us, too, though. This is not a one-way street.

I feel strongly about the issues, too, as do many others on here. It is interesting that you are calling us an 'echo chamber', and 'aggressive' though - how do you see your own contributions?

Passive aggressive, it seems.

I wonder why some posters are more worried about the issues being discussed than about the issues themselves. Seems decidedly odd to me.

Mumsnet is known for allowing aggressive gender critical groups to hound out anyone that tries to engage in discussion.

That is complete rubbish - or, if you know otherwise, please show where it is happening.

FarNorth

^Mumsnet is known for allowing aggressive gender critical groups to hound out anyone that tries to engage in discussion.^

That is complete rubbish - or, if you know otherwise, please show where it is happening.

You've only got to go into the feminist forum. Please there are articles online written about it.

VioletSky

GagaJo I do go into the MN feminist forum and I usually see people tying themselves in knots trying not to contravene the talk guidelines.

VioletSky said "Why is this another trans thread?"

I posted this article because I thought some people might not be aware of the statistics it gives and might be interested to see them.

I put 'another trans thread' in the title in hopes that those who are not interested wouldn't waste a few precious seconds clicking on it and then getting annoyed.

The flowers were meant for Gagajo for the good advice to leave these threads, the quote just vanished that's all.

OK maybe I'll leave them after giving my opinion once.

Just the odd dipped toe.

Thank you for your time.

From the article :

"For three years 2017, 2018 and 2019, the average “propensity to sexually offend” of the male population on average 111-112 times that of the female population.
For the transgender population (both sexes)*, that has been on average 37-93 times higher. The UK GEO (Government Equalities Office) population estimates both higher and lower are used; the result therefore lies between those two values."

". *Not total transgender prison population which is obviously too small a sample size but the total transgender population of England & Wales, 178,000-445,000 certainly isn’t (UK GEO 30 June 2018 & ONS 30 June 2018)."

VioletSky

The flowers were meant for Gagajo for the good advice to leave these threads, the quote just vanished that's all.

OK maybe I'll leave them after giving my opinion once.

Just the odd dipped toe.

Thank you for your time.

Oh, and here I was, thinking they were for me ?.

Never mind, echo chambers will be echo chambers, won't they?

Why, when the thread title tells you exactly what the topic is, would you click on it and then post to complain that you don't like the subject? And if we're going to police which subjects are pointless maybe we should have a cull of the games threads? Or the daily political discussion threads? Or the various relationships and estrangement threads? They've all been discussed at length haven't they? Or maybe, we should just let people start any thread they feel like discussing and those who don't want to join in can just jog on by.

Trans schmans , who gives a toss ?

Thanks for popping by with your valuable opinion on this nanna8

nanna8 I and many other men and women give a toss.
I don’t want to be confronted by male genitals when in a changing room, e.g. when swimming. Neither do I want my g’daughter to have to share a school changing room with boys.
I do care that young boys and girls who are uncertain of their sexual orientation are not being given time to mature and reflect on their choices. I do care that healthy young girls and women are taking puberty blockers that may lead to a lifetime of medical intervention, e.g. impotence. I do care that healthy young girls and women are opting to have double mastectomies, that can leave them with long-term nerve damage due to having their nipples removed. Men have nipples so why is this done?
I do care about the fact that women prisoners in UK prisons have been sexually assaulted by trans women. I do care that vulnerable mentally ill women have to share facilities with trans women.
If all is so well in “trans land”, why have several (14 at the last count) government departments, plus several health authorities and the BBC removed themselves from Stonewall? I could write screeds more, but would ask that those who feel these are unimportant questions and issues at least consider them.

Well said grannydarkhair, hopefully the tide is turning.

Chewbacca Fingers crossed.

The posts by Doodledog and grannydarkhair are very good comments and I feel exactly the same way.
I was pleased about the news that the BBC is distancing itself from Stonewall, it only needs a bit of courage from a few for the rest to follow.

I rarely see any aggression on these threads. I see a lot of confusion regarding the acceptance of those who are transgender, compared with ill thought out changes in law. The former should be a given, the latter should be carefully considered. We don't live in a world of fluffy kittens and roses There are some mad, bad people out there who will use any agenda to gain access to people they want to abuse. Including women in prison.