Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

Welcome Pinnywinch. Do you think that’s right?

If he identifies as a woman he will be imprisoned in a female jail.

Trisher 17:57 congratulations!
I think you’re finally catching on to what we’ve been saying. i.e.
* The men/TW who are using the claim to be women for nefarious purposes or purposes causing harm or unfairness to females are doing damage to your ‘real transwomen’ as well as natal women. *
We don’t think that includes all TW, and even going back through the myriad threads about this I wonder who you would find who would support all TW including those I mentioned at ** above.

And the title of this thread vividly illustrates the link drawn between sex offenders and transwomen.
No, it described a situation that can happen when men can declare themselves women and be believed. No causal link is stated or implied.

He's a sexual pervert using transwomen in an attempt to avoid justice it is nothing do with real transwomen.
Yes, which is the sort of thing that feminists have been saying for ages. 'Real' transwomen have been saying it too. I am, however, interested in how you and GagaJo know how to tell the difference between a 'real' transwoman and a 'fake' one. For one thing, you say that it is impossible to tell transwomen from women, so how can you tell them from other transwomen?

Also, unless you are saying that transpeople are incapable of committing crime (in which case, why are they in prisons at all?) it's difficult to know why the fact that this bloke is a pervert means that he can't be trans. I'm not suggesting that he is a pervert because he is trans either, and am saying this in bold to pre-empt attempts to twist my words. In short, criminals can be 'real' transpeople, just as real transpeople can be criminal. Same as any group in society.

Apologies I mistakenly typed "title" instead of "statement" Mea culpa Mea maxima culpa
It's annoying when mistakes or typos are pounced on, isn't it? Even more so when someone picks on an acceptable use of a term and crows that you have used it wrongly.

No idea Smileless2012 perhaps you or some of those who think this is to do with trans women can explain. Think I joined in when the miner wives movement was mentioned. but I'll check.

Re your post @ 15.57 trisher if as you say and I agree with you, that the man in the OP has nothing to with real transwomen, why have we spent the last 28 pages
arguing debating with you, the rights of transwomen v's natal women?

Apologies I mistakenly typed "title" instead of "statement" Mea culpa Mea maxima culpa

Yes, quite obvious - the pervert brought it in. Posters merely stated their abhorrence of him, and doubted whether his claims to be a woman had the least validity, even in his own head.

That is what has been said many times on the thread, by people with all shades of opinion on transitioning.

Elegran

If you always defend transwomen and present that view of them, you can't pretend surprise when the OP predicts that you will react the same way to any news of someone claiming to self-id as one, even when his timing and motives aee suspect.

Well yes I can Elegran it's called free speech.
You might question why the word transwomen was brought into the post at all. Except it's bloomin obvious isn't it.

Smileless2012

This pathetic excuse for a human being linked himself to transwomen trisher by claiming that he is identifying as a woman.

He's a sexual pervert using transwomen in an attempt to avoid justice it is nothing do with real transwomen. Any more than a forged signature is anything to do with the person whose signature is being forged.

If you always defend transwomen and present that view of them, you can't pretend surprise when the OP predicts that you will react the same way to any news of someone claiming to self-id as one, even when his timing and motives aee suspect.

It is reflecting back what seems to be the view of some posters, that transwomen are all mild and vulnerable, and helpless in the face of the hate and phobias of everyone they meet.

You said And the title of this thread vividly illustrates the link drawn between sex offenders and transwomen. now you're referring to a statement

This pathetic excuse for a human being linked himself to transwomen trisher by claiming that he is identifying as a woman.

This is the statement Possibly some on this site think this is non-controversial non-news of a vulnerable transwoman
If that isn't linking this criminal to transwomen then what is it doing?

Elegran

Do you also have a link to research into the other aspect of domestic abuse, looking into why men abuse the women in their lives? I assume the research is more or less equally distributed between what influences men to abuse and why women to put up with it.

That's quite valid as well Elegran but would it provide information which might protect women? Wouldn't it be more likely to lead to programmes which reduced violence in men generally? which would be very useful and helpful but would probably be condemned if I had suggested it as focussing on men and ignoring women.

Elegran

Do you also have a link to research into the other aspect of domestic abuse, looking into why men abuse the women in their lives? I assume the research is more or less equally distributed between what influences men to abuse and why women to put up with it.

Another good point, Elegran.

I note that there is a long running series on one of the Freeview Channels called 'Murderers and their Mothers', which is indicative of the link often made in fiction with crime (particularly against women) and the relationship between the criminal and his mother.

A woman's place is in the wrong, eh?

How so?

Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

That's not drawing a link - it is saying that a perverted man who claims to be a woman may be housed in a women's prison .

It's a statement of fact. Where is the link between sex offenders and transpeople ?

Do you also have a link to research into the other aspect of domestic abuse, looking into why men abuse the women in their lives? I assume the research is more or less equally distributed between what influences men to abuse and why women to put up with it.

Cross posted Elegran

Actually it doesn't. What it illustrates is that if the quest for self ID is enacted into law, even more vile people will take the opportunity to identify into areas where they either think the punishment will be less harsh or they will have access to more victims.

Not true. The title shows how a perverted man wanted to link himself to transwomen, either for his own perverted reasons or because he hoped that by doing that he would get an "easy ride" in his imprisonment for his actions.

And the title of this thread vividly illustrates the link drawn between sex offenders and transwomen.

It isn't blaming anyone to wonder why women get into violent relationships. When women''s refuges were first set up it was assumed that it was mostly economic circumstances that kept women from breaking free. Erin Pizzey began to speculate that there was more to it and that backgrounds in family violence were involved. For this she was castigated and left the refuge movement. Those who assume I am only speaking of research into the women involved are just showing their own prejudices. I said no such thing. One of the reasons I know women remain in violent relationships is because they live in close-knit communities, and them leaving their partner and going into hiding would result in other family members being attacked. If we knew more about this and the people involved we could better protect women.