Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

So, there is a right and wrong kind of scientist?

Yes dear, I'm sure there is!

Of course, VS. Silly!

VioletSky

So, there is a right and wrong kind of scientist?

Well according to you there is. Any comment on Robert Winston's position regarding the immutability of sex?

So, there is a right and wrong kind of scientist?

GagaJo”*Funny that isn’t how transwomen see it, don’t you think*.”
Actually, many of them do think that the small minority of TW who you appear to support are harmful to the trans cause. Many of them accept that they are not women, but do not either raise it as a subject for discussion or wish to take part in violence to make that claim.
Many of them call themselves women, but again, see no reason to create discord by shouting about it and most of them do not try to take women’s right's in terms of sport, jobs or places of safety.
Your failure to accept that and your support for the minority who do see themselves as entitled to rights belonging to women where it categorically harms or denies women those rights, says things about you that mean I am grateful not to be a ‘sectional feminist’ or ‘your sort of feminist’.
Shame I’ve only heard you mention men or TW who commit sexual crimes with male genitalia being incarcerated in male prisons when it involved animals, oh and paedophilia, instead of when it involves rape of women.

Snap Chewbacca.

VioletSky I put my trust in those doctors and scientists with much more education that me who are supporting trans people. Much more research needs to be done but I think the answers will come in time.
I'd think Professor Robert Winston who pioneered IVF and achieved the first birth using this method might have a teensy bit of knowledge as regards sexual reproduction. He states sex is immutable, fixed at conception. Who are these esteemed doctors and scientists who know better, that male DNA can be transformed into female DNA? Presentation of stereotypes is an external presentation, it alters not one jot the internal science.

It's amazing how many ideas people have that aren't true because they don't understand that science is not fixed, it's ever evolving in a sense.

But you do understand the science of biology don't you? You do know that biological sex is real, important, immutable and not to be conflated with gender identity?

No idea what the rest is about.

Far too many?

Ew

No women should be murdered

Rosie51

A link for that number of murders VS please. Usually those numbers are heavy with the number of transgender sex workers murdered in South America, so not really indicative of the situation for the majority of transpeople.

Yes you are right but I don't think that being a sex worker make any difference. It just makes them easier to isolate. I'm not about to judge sex workers although I don't like that that trade exists and... Too many possible tangents

Yes far too many women are murdered and that matters

Snap Rosie51!

I put my trust in those doctors and scientists with much more education that me who are supporting trans people. Much more research needs to be done but I think the answers will come in time.

It's amazing how many ideas people have that aren't true because they don't understand that science is not fixed, it's ever evolving in a sense.

The human brain is still not fully understood, most people don't even know that it is not solid and you cannot safely hold one without filling it with stabilising chemicals let alone understand anything about how it actually works.

375 transgender people were killed globally this year (2021), a figure that has risen since last year's total of 350. The majority of the murders happened in Central and South America (70%). But like last few years, the most deaths in a single country occurred in Brazil, totalling 33% of global deaths.

vs

In the year to March 2020, 207 women were killed in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales). This means about one in four killings were of women. That is about one killing every three days.

A natal woman is murdered every 3 days on average in the UK. Just adding for context.

A link for that number of murders VS please. Usually those numbers are heavy with the number of transgender sex workers murdered in South America, so not really indicative of the situation for the majority of transpeople.

I'd ask those who reject the scientific facts of biology ie that sex is determined at the moment of conception and is immutable what other science do you reject? Do you reject climate change, evolution, vaccinations, medical treatments developed by scientists, gravity, that babies are produced by the melding of a large immotile gamete known as an ovum with a small motile gamete known as a spermatozoon...... the list is endless?

You think the people who received death threats are the same people giving them? Thsy are all in on this behaviour? Encouraging it?

Has anyone here ever threatened each other with physical harm? No, it's disgusting behaviour.

2021 was the worst year so far for transgender murders, 375 I think and bad feeling is still spreading

If that was the case then surely, having obtained more social acceptance, they'd just want to get on with their own lives in peace? Instead, having obtained that acceptance, they're now violently bullying, threatening and cancelling anyone who thinks differently to them. The list of high profile scalps they've collected, and sought to destroy, grows ever greater. Peace, harmony and acceptance is definitely not the goal now.

Threats and violence are never acceptable, like trans women receiving death threats is not acceptable. They weren't even using their platforms to shout their views or printing t shirts with wearable confrontational slogans... They simply started to present differently and we're noticed in their communities.

Agreed SueDonim, the demographic of MN is largely younger than her on GN and even just a cursory glance at their Sex & Gender discussion forum would give a good indication of the strength of feeling about it.

A lesbian businesswoman has blasted transgender rights activists for trying to 'intimidate' her by sending her 'death and rape threats on a daily basis'.
Angela Wild, 44, who lives in Wales, started her own business in September 2017 designing slogan-printed t-shirts and badges, which campaign for women’s sex-based rights.

I've been relentlessly targeted by trans rights activists and their witchhunt campaign to instil fear into anyone who doesn't agree with their views.
'I've been labeled a 'terf' - a trans exclusionary radical feminist - a transphobic bigot, hateful, a Nazi, over social media and had some of my personal details published online.

'My products are based on my own views. I do not accept the idea that anyone can have a cervix. It's simple biology that only women do. It's ridiculous that we can't even say that - how is biology now viewed as hate speech?
'What I have experienced first-hand from trans activists has been intimidating and frightening it shouldn't be allowed to happen.
'No one should have to be subjected to the abuse I and many other women receive on a daily basis. It's disgusting and simply not right.
'Transgender activists are trying to stifle free speech by tearing down anyone who wants to express gender critical views - It's unacceptable!'

This demand for acceptance and tolerance, by the TRA community, doesn't appear to extend to anyone else does it? Not women. Not lesbians. In fact not anyone who understands simple biology.

IME, it’s older people who are more likely to accept the trans agenda without questioning it. When the holes are pointed out, such as Doodle has listed, they often express that they hadn’t thought of that before but actually, they now see the flaws.

The most gender critical women I know are younger ones, who feel their rights are being eroded, who find the erasure of their identity and experiences anathema and who have been subjected to harm by the TWAW mantra.

What's really ironical is that whilst women are being reassured that the trans community just want to live their lives in peace and harmony, with no threat to anyone else; the trans activism community is steadfastly reigning a war of terror on anyone that they perceive as being "transphobic" or "not the right sort of gay":

Chewbacca

^I don't know anyone in person that is gender critical^

Perhaps widening your circle of associates would broaden your mind and open up the possibility of seeing things from other perspectives. Constantly staying within the same circles, swapping thesame opinions and experiences simply gives you confirmation bias of what you already think you know.

The irony

Some of us are vs.

Although I've probably become more entrenched due to the way opinions have been expressed

Your own opinions have been expressed just as vociferously and loudly as everyone else's.