Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

One can support transpeople to live their best lives without trashing science. To acknowledge that sex is immutable, but that some people are more comfortable living as the opposite sex is not incompatible, providing that a very few single sex spaces are respected by everyone.

GagaJo

Of course, VS. Silly!

Care to elucidate, provide links, anything? No thought not. The refuge of.... nah can't be bothered

We are so much more than our sexual organs and reproductive capabilities.

Those things don't distinguish us apart from everyone else.

Everything we are is in our genetics and that's where the science shows the evidence

You can easily Google transgender genetics research as I can't post links on my phone, idk why, but the differences between cis men and trans women are deemed "significant"

Rosie, mostly there's no point. We've said everything to each other, repeatedly. If there's something new, I'll contribute.

VioletSky

We are so much more than our sexual organs and reproductive capabilities.

Those things don't distinguish us apart from everyone else.

Everything we are is in our genetics and that's where the science shows the evidence

You can easily Google transgender genetics research as I can't post links on my phone, idk why, but the differences between cis men and trans women are deemed "significant"

Every single device is capable of posting links. If you can google 'transgender genetics research' you can provide a link. You do realise there is an awful lot of dross on the internet? Not everything that comes up on google is 100% accurate and impartial. Why you can even find links to alien invasions Everything we are is in our genetics and that's where the science shows the evidence I can't believe you are quoting genetics to support 'gendered identity' . Genetics is all about DNA, which doesn't give a fig about 'feelings' 'identity' etc, it just is. Are you really going with there are 'lady brains' and 'men brains'? You've just put female emancipation back about 200 years when females were considered too feeble to have valid opinions or ideas.

If there’s something new, I’ll contribute.
When you don’t have an answer -and you evidently don’t, then that’s quite a good ending, a bit like ‘no debate’.

GagaJo

Rosie, mostly there's no point. We've said everything to each other, repeatedly. If there's something new, I'll contribute.

Just as I expected! No facts, no argument. It is because I say it is. OK I'l give that the respect it deserves.

Mollygo so true!

I can't post links, it doesn't work on my phone.

It has many problems probably due to the ridiculous mounts of memory taken up by pictures of my children and my cats.

I think my word on which forums I use or whether or not I can post a link should be good enough. Don't you?

Also you clearly have access to do your own googling

Mollygo

*If there’s something new, I’ll contribute.*
When you don’t have an answer -and you evidently don’t, then that’s quite a good ending, a bit like ‘no debate’.

I only say what I mean. As I said, there's nothing new. Rehash.

Yes you can Google anything on the Internet, even "the benefits of eating dog poo" and find someone saying it's a good idea.

So why that would make the results of your Google search more cientifically accurate to mine I unclear. Be careful you are not asking leading questions like "evidence trans people are not whatever". I googled "transgender genetics".

We are so much more than our sexual organs and reproductive capabilities

Hallelujah! So now you can appreciate why women are pissed off at having their whole identities reduced to being "cervix havers" and "chest feeders". Men, irrespective of what they wear, how they walk, how they feel or what they want to call themselves cannot be a woman . And because of the aggressive, and often violent insistence by the TRA lobbyists, that men can be women, feminists are fighting back. You really need to educate yourself on how much of what you take for granted is being lost on the alter of "oh, just live and let live". Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, JK Rowling et al have paid a heavy price for pointing that out. When the TRA community finally acknowledges, and seeks to repair the damage that they, and Stonewall, have done to women and their rights, then maybe there can be some kind of mutual acceptance and respect.

Best I can do, a screenshot from one of MANY articles, studies and research papers on the subject

The evidence is there, ask yourself truly if your mind were female nd your body did not match how must that feel?

VioletSky

I can't post links, it doesn't work on my phone.

It has many problems probably due to the ridiculous mounts of memory taken up by pictures of my children and my cats.

I think my word on which forums I use or whether or not I can post a link should be good enough. Don't you?

Also you clearly have access to do your own googling

Do you accept that anything a poster says they found on google is 100% accurate? If not, why not? I've just googled and found a link that says gender ID is a load of bollocks so that's sorted then. End of discussion, we are all agreed, google has spoken.

VioletSky

I put my trust in those doctors and scientists with much more education that me who are supporting trans people. Much more research needs to be done but I think the answers will come in time.

It's amazing how many ideas people have that aren't true because they don't understand that science is not fixed, it's ever evolving in a sense.

The human brain is still not fully understood, most people don't even know that it is not solid and you cannot safely hold one without filling it with stabilising chemicals let alone understand anything about how it actually works.

So you decide in advance which scientists to trust? You only trust the ones who 'support' transpeople? Support in what sense? Do you just ignore the others?

Have you heard of confirmation bias? If you only trust the scientists who say what you want to hear, you will only hear what you want to hear. I'm not sure what you are reading, as to succeed at any level, all scientists will have had to compare contrasting ideas and say why they believe as they do - not just 'be supportive'.

What questions do you want to see answered? More research is needed, I agree; but it is increasingly difficult for researchers to look into or say anything that conflicts with Stonewall's agenda. Again, look at Kathleen Stock.

There are ideas that have been proven untrue over the years, yes. The Earth being the centre of the Universe, the Earth being flat, evolution - all were held as true once. There was No Debate then, either. Those who spoke against them were threatened with death, and many lost their lives for their beliefs. The same is happening now, yet the No Debate mantra continues, and you support it?

I agree that the human brain is not fully understood, which seems to me to be more reason not to stuff the bodies of children with hormones before they are old enough to give mature, informed consent.

GagaJo, why do you say that Chewbacca's suggestion of broadening a circle of contacts ironic? The three people on here who argue against sex-based rights have all said that they had never heard an opposing view until they spoke to us on here, which suggests a very narrow circle of friends and contacts.

I know people with all shades of opinion on the matter, and don't pigeon-hole them into age groups, as it doesn't work like that (plus, I am not prejudiced in that way). I can't speak for the others on here, but I have no reason to assume that they are any different. Frankly, the fact that you can stereotype us, suggest that 'like attracts like' and so on is deeply ironic given that your own circle seems so limited in scope.

Did Google link you to one of many peer reviewed research articles based on scientific investigation into gender sequencing done by people who have studied for years to become experts in their field?

Because I doubt they would say bull testicles rosie

VioletSky

The evidence is there, ask yourself truly if your mind were female nd your body did not match how must that feel?

OMG are you really going with female and male brains? Women will never ever reach equality while there is credence given to the notion that female brains are different!!!! Female brains being different is just the pathway to male supremacy that has lasted for eons. "Don't trouble your pretty brain, just think of fluffy kittens" I despair!!! Marie Curie you only succeeded because Pierre was by your side correcting your fluffy female brain.....

doodledog I've explained how I found my results, my unbiased search parameters, (I did not look with bias I never do), and my findings, you've missed it typing an essay again

VioletSky

Did Google link you to one of many peer reviewed research articles based on scientific investigation into gender sequencing done by people who have studied for years to become experts in their field?

Because I doubt they would say bull testicles rosie

Just for information VioletSky bollocks is vulgar slang for any male testicles, human or animal. I make no apology for using vulgar slang when it seems particularly appropriate

you've missed it typing an essay again

At least it made sense.

Really Rosie?

So the only difference between men and women are genitals, nothing else on a physiological level?

I think you are confusing our minds as being something that only contains our personality, memory and inteligence and nothing else.

I'm different from men in many ways and I'm not ashamed of that, it doesn't make me "less than" I am still "equal too"

rosie I don't care what language you use, it's my personal choice not to, no judgement on you

Er I vaguely remember that study didnt it say that there were similarities between transwomen and other transwomen but that there werent similarities with natal females The studies on brain difference are varied and complex, but my understanding is that latest research shows minimal difference between the sexes. If you google there are a number of studies showing both sides of that debate.
Also I think that takes you down a road you may not want to travel. After all how can you then possibly say that the subject of the OP is not a woman unless you look at his brain.

I think it would only need a blood sample and actually might be beneficial in court as one example