Yes trisher Giuffrie was contacted by police in 2006, Epstein
was charged in 2008,
Giuffrie and Andrew. 2001
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Prince Andrew Can't Sweat
(1001 Posts)Doing wrong is not black and white even in law.
My own father who of course had never heard of Prince Andrew, could not sweat. My mother , who had never heard of Prince Andrew, told me this when I was was girl . My mother did not explain about the adrenaline thing as she had no medical knowledge, but after Andrew's admission about not sweating . I can understand how hormones are affected by some severe life events. My father was at the Eastern Front during the Great War.
Also in support of Prince Andrew, he probably did not even know that it was illegal or even immoral to shag an unknown and poor seventeen year old girl. Very rich people have odd childhoods, and it takes special efforts by parents and teachers to teach them what real life is.
Bridgeit I agree with your post.
I would add that I think any middle aged man who has sex with a teenager is an unpleasant sleaze.
trisher 's post was perfectly reasonable.
Anniebach
I disagree Calistemon. do we all follow the faith of our parents.
Andrew slept with Giuffrie in 2001, Epstein was first charged in
2008.
Did Andrew know Giuffrie was allegedly forced to go to bed with him ?
Epstein was first investigated in 2005. Giuffre was living in Australia she was contacted in 2006 and asked to give evidence. Since then the legal complications and the dodgy rulings have delayed actions until Epstein was charged and then died.
Even if someone doesn't follow the faith of their parents surely some of the morals should have rubbed off on him.
We don’t know what Andrew knew or believed. If he had sex with VG he must have known she was young enough to be his daughter. It’s possible/probable he had sexwith her because that’s what she/he/Maxwell/Epstein expected to happen.
They are in all walks of life aren’t they? privileged, unprivileged some men for what ever reason , background or circumstances end up being sleaze-balls.
Likewise young females can get caught up in sexual activities through their own particular circumstances of life.
For many this may be a stage in life that passes quickly , but for some it becomes a permanent choice & way of life.
Sad to say those we expect to have a moral compass, seem to be sadly lacking this guide, they only develop emotions when the realisation of consequences hit home & they realise that Ohhps they are going to have to face the consequences of their actions.
Sadly the innocent are always the ones who are betrayed & used the most.
Did Andrew know Guiffre was seventeen, that she had claimed to be sexually abused, that she had been hawked around.?
On the evidence of the photograph, does she look as though she has been forced, coerced or even gently persuaded to be there?
But the main question is, did he assault her?
He has strenuously and consistently denied having sexual contact with her, yet many posters on here assume without evidence that he did.
Forced my elbow (to be polite).
Did Andrew know Giuffrie had been forced to go to bed with him ?
A 41 year old man with an mega big ego
My parents were Baptists, I am Anglican , my Godparents were Baptist and Roman Catholic.
Andrew has never made a vow to defend the faith, this is my
criticism of trisher’s post , bringing his mother’s faith into it.
do we all follow the faith of our parents.
Neither of my parents was the 'Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England'
Incidentally, my father changed his and joined my church.
Iam you condemn anyone who doesn’t follow their parents faith ?
I too am Spartacus and saw trisher’ s post as reasonable
I disagree Calistemon. do we all follow the faith of our parents.
Andrew slept with Giuffrie in 2001, Epstein was first charged in
2008.
Did Andrew know Giuffrie was allegedly forced to go to bed with him ?
I thought trisher's post was reasonable.
trisher sorry but that was rock bottom and still drilling.
Sorry Anniebach you switch from she lived with a man when she was 13 in one post and Her boyfriend of that time has given interviews. if I confused two people I'm sorry it seems a bit confusingto pos about two seperate people in consecutive posts.
One thing I think stands out here. You allege Maxwell may have been abused and of course she might have. But it is fairly obvious that Giuffre was. The question then is, regardless of age, is it OK for any man to become sexually involved with a damaged girl who is apparently being hawked around, especially when that man is a member of a family which stands for church state and the rule of law?
Of course, the experience of a 13 year old won’t influence the emotional, psychological or development of her personality will it
Her boyfriend at the time was a 19 year old who gave an interview on British tv ,he lived with Giuffrie for two years , he visited Epstein’s house many times.
I am not speaking of the 13 year old but the 17 to 19 year old.
Anniebach
Her boyfriend of that time has given interviews.
Who is speaking the truth ?
Giuffrie. Her father. Her boyfriend. The girl who was a witness
in the Maxwell trial.
I haven’t included Andrew, that interview!
By "Her boyfriend of the time" are we talking about the man who ran "Pefect 10" supposedly a model agencey but actually an organisation involved in trafficking and prostitution,who was raided by the FBI and pleaded guilty?
Really are you saying this was a choice for a 13 year old girl?
Agree eazybee, majority of posts here claim her to be a victim .
Any court case would be biased from the start with Guiffre being referred to as 'the victim.' She is most certainly an unreliable witness, who has exploited her connection with Epstein for monetary gain in a way that would immediately negate the case in England, and reneged on her sealed agreement not to pursue anyone else for compensation after receiving a settlement from Epstein.
Prince Andrew should never agree to a court case in America, and if an extradition was attempted the current Home Secretary could block it, as Theresa May did in the case of Gary McKinnon, who hacked into the Pentagon, a far more serious case than these tawdry goings-on.
Her boyfriend of that time has given interviews.
Who is speaking the truth ?
Giuffrie. Her father. Her boyfriend. The girl who was a witness
in the Maxwell trial.
I haven’t included Andrew, that interview!
It doesn’t get better does it? Let’s hope that if it comes to a court case everything comes out Annie. I think it would be most unfair for her to get an out of court settlement and continue to be regarded as a victim.
Giuffre’s father worked at Trump’s hotel, he found a job there for her, she sat in the hotel reading a book on massage therapy, she was 17 not 14, and Maxwell noticed the book.
Her father use to drive her to Epstein’s home. The father who
has said how much he loves her from the day she was born, love ? she lived with a man when she was 13, where was the loving father.
After all the hype she wants her day in court Annie to show the world what terrible things were done to her. The downside is that more may come out than she bargained for. This ‘Carolyn’ witness may be called by PA’s team.
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