Sad, just sad. This is actually a result of the decline of morals in our society and a cause as well. I totally agree with the woman who said that, if she was good enough to live with, she was good enough to marry. I think it's a shabby way to go through life pretending a certain thing when you don't intend it. What I see a lot of is people talking about their fiancee, but there is no ring and no date. If you don't have something to commemorate being engaged and you don't have a date, you are not engaged and not entitled to that sign of respect. It is just another way to destabilize families and societies. There's lots of talk about a shortage of houses. Think how many houses there would be if people maturely evaluated marriage, went through with it if they wished to, and stayed together. That is usually, and by far, the best situation for any subsequent children. Another thing that just baffles me is how big, over the top engagements are in themselves. There are surprise trips and friends dropping out of the trees and such a kerfuffle. No wonder the marriages have to be so big because they are a natural next larger step. Also, what happened to intimate moments when people proposed? If you know when it's going to happen and people are there to mark that and there is no anticipation or surprise, it's just another elaborate attention getting affair. Then, naturally, people become disillusioned with regular daily life because it isn't a constant, ever increasing roller coaster ride of thrills. It's a romantic, idiotic, wasteful, counterproductive.