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Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

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maddyone Wed 23-Feb-22 11:48:54

Okay, it was suggested on a different thread that a new thread should be started about this, so here goes.
So do we need a monarchy today? That’s it really.

Juicylucy Thu 24-Feb-22 18:54:14

Don’t need, but want.

StoneofDestiny Thu 24-Feb-22 19:11:37

I used to work in the Lake District and must say we had so so many Chinese and American that just came to see the queen

Odd, in the Lake District the foreign tourists mainly come to see Beatrix Potters house on the way to Scotland.
These tourists never get to see the Queen - she retreats to one of her many homes to avoid them.
Tourists will come with or without a Queen or King - they want to see the historical settings of Bath, Stratford upon Avon, The Cotswolds, Edinburgh, the Highlands, Durham, Skye, Orkney to name a very few - not a king or queen in site.

Sarah59 Thu 24-Feb-22 19:13:54

No

StoneofDestiny Thu 24-Feb-22 19:16:25

Bizarre how people on here seem to think the alternative to a monarchy is 'Trump'.
Surely it's not beyond the minds of people to reimagine our own model of Head of State - one based on merit not accident of birth and one that supports one figure, not their whole extended family.
Ireland has a good model for one, but we are quite able to design our own.

homefarm Thu 24-Feb-22 19:22:05

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JPB123 Thu 24-Feb-22 19:32:46

I love the monarchy…I. remember my mummy crying when King George VI died..We seemed to grow up with Anne and Charles..lovely time.

Mollygo Thu 24-Feb-22 19:34:39

Oh StoneofDestiny, I can certainly reimagine a head of state who would be acceptable to me.
Ideally one who understands the plight of the disadvantaged in our society and would do something about it. Do I think people would vote for someone who understands the plight of the disadvantage in our society because they have experienced it? No that person probably wouldn’t have the money to stand for election.

volver Thu 24-Feb-22 19:37:53

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cc Thu 24-Feb-22 19:52:36

nanna8

No but the tourists like them. At least get rid of all the peripherals and just have the one nuclear family. Divide up their property and assets.

But they do actually own a lot of the assets themselves. Are you suggesting actually removing their property?
I agree it is an outdated concept but the alternative would be another "presidential" political layer, no better than the current arrangement in view of the standard of many of our politicians today.
I would however skip Charles and remove most of the rest from the circus. No more honorary military titles etc., no more "trade" jaunts for people with no commercial knowledge or competence.
It is such a shame that the Princess Royal isn't next in line for the throne but I suspect she has far too much sense to take it on. I have the impression that she works much harder than Charles who appears to only do undemanding tasks that he feels like doing. His choice, but not what we need of a king.

harold Thu 24-Feb-22 19:53:45

I agree with there being a second chamber in Parliament containing elected and appointed members for a specific amount of time as they are needed to scrutinise and revise bills of parliament. Some of them could be members of the aristocracy but would not be there just because of an accident of birth. It could still be called the House of Lords maybe.
The main value of the monarchy lies in it's continuity. Also I do not believe that this institution should skip a generation as a person's popularity could rise or fall over a period of time.
For a republic -- this would surely need a large percentage '
"yes" vote.

Callistemon21 Thu 24-Feb-22 19:54:36

varian

I really don't think that Trump could ever have been elected President of the UK!

Really?

I wouldn't be so sure
Not taking bets, anyway! Does he have British citizenship through his mother?
?

volver Thu 24-Feb-22 19:54:57

StoneofDestiny

Bizarre how people on here seem to think the alternative to a monarchy is 'Trump'.
Surely it's not beyond the minds of people to reimagine our own model of Head of State - one based on merit not accident of birth and one that supports one figure, not their whole extended family.
Ireland has a good model for one, but we are quite able to design our own.

Bizarre how people on here seem to think the alternative to a monarchy is 'Trump'.

volver Thu 24-Feb-22 19:55:57

Don't know what happened there, didn't mean to post that. Sorry. Please ignore.

ExDancer Thu 24-Feb-22 19:56:07

President Boris and his first Lacy as the alternative? Ouch!

volver Thu 24-Feb-22 19:57:29

aha!

24? 25? Lost count.

Who's Lacy?

volver Thu 24-Feb-22 20:02:39

Oh Lady! Sorry, honest mistake!!

Carooline Thu 24-Feb-22 20:39:17

Yes we absolutely should keep the monarchy. They are part of our history and bring much tourism to the UK. The Queen has been a wonderful head of state & I expect Charles & Camilla followed by William & Katherine to be exactly the same. Long live the Royal family.

nadateturbe Thu 24-Feb-22 20:40:41

No

Nanniejude Thu 24-Feb-22 20:54:21

Yes we need and should be proud of our monarchy. Long live the Queen!

Azalea99 Thu 24-Feb-22 21:10:20

Yes

Sweetpeasue Thu 24-Feb-22 21:34:02

Yes

Beswitched Thu 24-Feb-22 22:22:05

Callistemon

What is wrong with posters using the Irish system as an example of how voting for a President can work well?

Enough people keep citing Trump as a negative example.

It's important to have balance.

Deedaa Thu 24-Feb-22 22:23:16

Well we've already got Trump Lite as Prime Minister, does anyone really believe we would do any better electing a head of state? I'm sure the country could function perfectly well without a monarchy but I don't think whoever replaces it is going to give up all the trappings that go with it.

Jonlin1234 Thu 24-Feb-22 22:37:23

If we don’t have a monarch what do we put in place?l would not like to go the way of America (we could not afford it ) Russia ? China ? Our Queen does not dictate policy and whatever it cost it brings in 3 fold to the economy
We would not financially be any better off if anything the stability of the country would be worse

Jezra Thu 24-Feb-22 22:39:32

No we don’t need them. It’s a ridiculous set up in this day and age.
We just need an elected Prime Minister or President.