Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

Stability has gone.

I do think all the people calling for the end of the monarchy wont be so happy if it does go and your taxes sore to replace the lost tourist income. Britain earns billions in tourist money, all over the country once they have finished in London. I used to work in the Lake District and must say we had so so many Chinese and American that just came to see the queen

Did you get asked about the Mayors and Police and Crime Commissioners ..is that ONE job or two?

I'm not sure.
The London Mayor is both.
We don't have a Mayor here.

Like others, I can appreciate that the whole idea of monarchy can seem ridiculous in this age, BUT (like others here) I've thought about what would replace it - when Trump was US President I was very glad we had a monarchy instead. Would I want Boris as our elected president (he's embarrassing enough as PM). What I appreciate about our monarchy is the steadiness and sense of continuance it gives to our country, especially when everything-else is in flux. AND I like the fact that the monarch is always someone who was born into the RF and learned "on the job" from the previous monarch. We don't have some novice every 4 years, we have someone who saw their parent doing the job, probably for decades and understand very well what it entails and how to do it. If they don't want to do it, then abdication is always an option - so no-one is forced into the job. Personally, I hope that Monarchy survives well past my lifetime - I think that Charles and William will be fine as monarchs, and then the ones that follow can decide whether or not they want the job! As others have said, we have to be careful to consider what the alternative will be and well may not realise what we have until its gone.

Just a thought, IF we decide the time has come to permanently have done with our Royalist Tradition & Heritage, Will we then move on to ‘capping ‘how wealthy a Family or Individual is allowed to be? …. .. communism doesn’t work to well either does it… ? Nothing in life is ever fair or equal …..

I think what concerns me most about the monarchy is the cost for the next 20 years. 1. Jubilee. 2 Queens funeral. 3 Charles coronation. 4 Charles funeral. 5 William's coronation.
Billions will be spent, somewhere cuts need to be considered.
I am the same age as Charles and frankly he is far too old to be
proffered as the next monarch and that's if he died now. Are we to crown him when he is 80 plus which could happen if the Queen follows her Mother. The monarchy needs updating if its to survive at all and NO more bowing. I used to be a monarchist but sadly no more. A very slimmed down monarchy but be more acceptable to more people.

DaisyAnne

*Trisher*. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

DaisyAnne have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!
What evidence have you that the vast majority are happy with our democracy? I think the demographic on GN may be happy but other sections certainly aren't
You are spouting the statements about the monarchy most of us were raised on. Unfortunately the reality is different. That's why I posted the link. The Queen has done what you say she doesn't interfered in government.
As for this government being corrupt and self serving, of course they are and it seems there is no one to support the constitutional traditions this country has always used. The PM is riding roughshod over them, the speaker seems powerless to intervene. An elected H of S could point out this and hold the government to account. Polly Toynbee says it better www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee

They don’t show fear! What nonsense.

Reduced monarchy, reduced civil list proper jobs for the rest. Ditch the honours system except for those who have done genuine good for the people of this country. No bowing and scraping, no feudalism. What is the point of them? They bring in money and tourists but are, like many a totally dysfunctional family. Remember the scene of ER returning from some visit or other and shaking hands with her young son (Charles)? Like her or not Diana loved her boys. Chas and Cami should retire and grow plants. William and Kate groomed to be bland as bland. I think as a country we have been leaderless for years - no one seems to be standing up for the ordinary people.

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!

Fear of what?

I'm certainly not afraid of a tongue-lashing from other Gransetters because I might differ in my opinions!!

Mazmoonshine54

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

No you don't. You really don't.

Not read the thread then?

Remember the scene of ER returning from some visit or other and shaking hands with her young son (Charles)?

Oh, that old chestnut ???

Forming an opinion on one picture is ludicrous

I love the monarchy they make me proud to be British! The slimmed down version will be perfect. This year with all the jubilee celebrations is something to look forward to. Bring out the bunting and let’s celebrate our wonderful heritage that’s second to none world wide xx

volver

Mazmoonshine54

If we didn't have a monarchy we would have a president.
Putin, Trump ? Need I say more?

No you don't. You really don't.

Not read the thread then?

I'm open to some sensible suggestions

I expect the Monarchy will be gone long before George and it won't be because the British people voted to abolish it.
It will be because there will be a totally new world order.

trisher

DaisyAnne

Trisher. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

DaisyAnne have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!
What evidence have you that the vast majority are happy with our democracy? I think the demographic on GN may be happy but other sections certainly aren't
You are spouting the statements about the monarchy most of us were raised on. Unfortunately the reality is different. That's why I posted the link. The Queen has done what you say she doesn't interfered in government.
As for this government being corrupt and self serving, of course they are and it seems there is no one to support the constitutional traditions this country has always used. The PM is riding roughshod over them, the speaker seems powerless to intervene. An elected H of S could point out this and hold the government to account. Polly Toynbee says it better www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee

I am not going to bother with what you purport to be fact other than to say I don't know how anyone other than the Queen can be judged for interference as they are not Sovereign at this time.

As you seem to pick what you read I will repeat:

Polling suggests that a large majority of Britons were in favour of the monarchy during the 1990s and 2000s with support mostly ranging from 70% to 74% and never falling below 65%. The latest poll was carried out by Ipsos Mori had 60% were in favour of the Monarchy and 21% against. That left 19% who are undecided.

If we did have another referendum there is no way the anarchists would be able to take over and make it undemocratic again. That would mean, as I explained earlier, those who don't vote, presumably around that 21% would be counted as wanting the status quo bringing those not wanting a change up to 79%.

GN members are citizens of this country, not a stand-alone state called Gransnet.

Once the queen goes I think it should stop. I mean all these ppl in super big houses because born with a silver spoon in their mouths watching the rest of the country struggling to put food or heating on. Where’s the we all equally in Britain. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy watching a royal wedding etc but never saw the point in them. Maybe if I lived down south I would. But lived all my life up north so only see them on tv lol

No. Nobody should be privelaged because of their birth. An anachronism of which we should be rid

Prefer our Royal Family than a president,we could find ourselves with a Donald Trump,this basically your options

Hooray!

20 times on this thread that somebody thinks its worth making the observation that we might end up with Trump/Blair/Corbyn (delete as appropriate).

Yes, I counted.

I really don't think that Trump could ever have been elected President of the UK!

DaisyAnne

trisher

DaisyAnne

Trisher. People do not dread voting for a head of state, they are just content with our current form of democracy.

Your comment "I suppose there have always been those who questioned and opposed every step that was taken towards democracy." is simply rot. We have a form of democracy - and they all vary - that the vast majority don't want to change. Your opinion is worth no more, or less than anyone else's but it is a minority view.

Your next line which starts "Slaves who thought it was OK to be owned by someone because some owners were benevolent ..." sounds like the doublespeak coming out of Russia at the moment. Perhaps some Putinitus is going round.

The Queen is a constitutional monarch. She does not make decisions on how our country is run. We are under more threat from the current government than from her. I certainly think some will think we have moved closer to the dark ages after their time in power.

I see your off-topic posts goes on at length so no point in replying to the rest. When we have someone pontificating on how the Queen running the country takes us back to the dark ages I know we have arrived in la-la land.

DaisyAnne have you read some of the posts on this thread? They show fear!
What evidence have you that the vast majority are happy with our democracy? I think the demographic on GN may be happy but other sections certainly aren't
You are spouting the statements about the monarchy most of us were raised on. Unfortunately the reality is different. That's why I posted the link. The Queen has done what you say she doesn't interfered in government.
As for this government being corrupt and self serving, of course they are and it seems there is no one to support the constitutional traditions this country has always used. The PM is riding roughshod over them, the speaker seems powerless to intervene. An elected H of S could point out this and hold the government to account. Polly Toynbee says it better www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee

I am not going to bother with what you purport to be fact other than to say I don't know how anyone other than the Queen can be judged for interference as they are not Sovereign at this time.

As you seem to pick what you read I will repeat:

Polling suggests that a large majority of Britons were in favour of the monarchy during the 1990s and 2000s with support mostly ranging from 70% to 74% and never falling below 65%. The latest poll was carried out by Ipsos Mori had 60% were in favour of the Monarchy and 21% against. That left 19% who are undecided.

If we did have another referendum there is no way the anarchists would be able to take over and make it undemocratic again. That would mean, as I explained earlier, those who don't vote, presumably around that 21% would be counted as wanting the status quo bringing those not wanting a change up to 79%.

GN members are citizens of this country, not a stand-alone state called Gransnet.

But DaisyAnne the support amongst 18-24 year olds has dipped to 31%. and 41% of them support an elected head of state. What seems inevitable is that as the older people die off the monarchy will be less and less popular.
Of course GN members are citizens but they cannot under any circumstances be regarded as younger citizens so they are not the future.

It seems very odd to me to be complaining of a corrupt and self serving government but to oppose a position which would impose checks and balances on any government, something which isn't happening now.

I cannot believe the number of anti-monarchy comments. In this woke world, anything that relates to the past seems to be an anathema. The Royal family, especially as led by the Queen make our country so special. So you guys want us to be like America with Trump and France with Macron etc etc.? At least with the Royal family we can rise above crazy politicians. Our country IS special. Don’t ruin it

21

I’ll take the Queen over any president, of any duration, of any country.... so make that 22!