Vagina Museum

Casdon

I just looked it up Smileless, and it made me laugh. Apparently the world’s only penis museum is in Iceland, which seems quite inappropriate!

It's so cold is there much to see?

And more information, thanks trisher. As I said, I thought it was in Amsterdam. Obviously not it seems.

My thoughts exactly Callistemon21!

I would be happy with tall trans woman, short trans woman, black trans woman, white trans woman etc. Bellanonna "because that's exactly what they are".

I agree Casdon it does seem inappropriate. Is there an International Men's Day, and if so I wonder how men would feel about the Penis museum celebrating trans men.

I shall go to ? before I'm accused of inappropriate frivolity.

Night night.

I’m in bed already but busy wasting time on Gransnet.

I keep popping back to Twitter, just to see if JKR has posted again. She’s been wonderful yesterday and today.

Why are people assuming what the mean things said about trans women would be?

That's not logical unless people on some level think their assumptions about what the mean things might be are actually a bit mean.

Anyway, the vagina museum is trans inclusive and supportive, not really worth worrying about, nothing taken away from women.

A really beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage.

I'm happy for them to show their support and highlight amazing trans women in history

A nipple created for someone who has lost tissue due to cancer is still a nipple even if it does not have all the functions of one.

Nothing wrong with celebrating created vaginas or those who wish they had one.

Again, nothing taken away from women.

So nothing really worth an argument here and losing any sleep over

Night all

AmberSpyglass

I suppose it makes sense - trans women are women, after all.

What rubbish.

Bellanonna

I disagree Violet Sky. I’m happy with tall, short, black, white because that’s exactly what they are. Nobody became tall, black, white etc. it’s an integral part of their make-up.

A trans woman is actually a man.

Absolutely.

No they are women, trans is just their type of women.
Bit like
White woman
Black woman
Tall woman
Old woman
Young woman
Etc

Apart from the scientific fact their gametes are male and can never be altered....

Spot on post Bellanonna

A type of woman never will be - a woman.
Identifying as a woman will never be - a woman

Is it mean to state a trans women is a man living as a women, and why shouldn't he, we should all live as we choose without doing harm to others? But on "International Women's Day" shouldn't it be for women alone, just as "International Men's Day", "Mother's Day" and all the other "Days" should be reserved for those it is named after? By all means have individual day's for "Trans Women" and "Trans Men". Live and let live, but why try and impinge on others? In my opinion the Vagina Museum is wrong on all accounts.

maddyone

And more information, thanks trisher. As I said, I thought it was in Amsterdam. Obviously not it seems.

I thought it was in Amsterdam too. Maybe it travels.

It may seem a trivial thing, but men using IWD to celebrate the vagina in a way that takes ownership is actually quite colonising. I can’t believe it wasn’t a deliberate ‘in your face’ to feminists.

VioletSky A really beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage.

Except that it's not missing or lost, it never was for a man no matter how much he wants one. In your book there's nothing unique or beautiful about a natural born woman. Of course the reality is that the vast majority of 'transwomen' have no wish for surgery to create an artificial vagina, they prefer to use their penis for sex, referring to it as 'lady penis' when they're being polite. And amazingly huge numbers are also 'lesbians', no sex with men for them.
That biological women are not even able to have one day out of 365 to celebrate their being and achievements without the inclusion of men is depressing. Still next time there's a trans day all non-trans should just muscle in and identify as non-trans trans

Esspee

Bellanonna

I disagree Violet Sky. I’m happy with tall, short, black, white because that’s exactly what they are. Nobody became tall, black, white etc. it’s an integral part of their make-up.

A trans woman is actually a man.

Absolutely.

Totally! You cannot alter anatomy in that way - you cannot transplant a fully functioning vagina/uterus/fallopian tube/ovary into a trans woman. I actually don't care what people identify as - my SIL has this saying which winds me up when she disapproves "each to their own" means it as an insult - though for the current topic she would freak out of her knickers! However if anyone wants to identify as a Rice Krispie - why not? But actual physical anatomy is what it is. I know there are babies born that gender is ambiguous and that is completely a different issue and very hard psychologically for anyone born with this to mentally come to terms with but I think this is different. Trans tends to mean you identify as different to what your biological anatomy is. That is also fine by me but surely a vagina museum (WTF anyway) might think about celebrating success of HPV vaccination, use of durex, signs of vaginal problems highlighted - not women who don't actually have a vagina? Who would go there? "Oh we're going to York, Blackpool, London, Glasgow - let's go to the vagina museum". "Hey - maybe we could tie in with the penis museum"?

A trans woman is not a woman, it stands for a man transgendering to a women. A trans man is not a man in the same respect. In the same way transport is not a sport.

They take everything off us these blokes, don’t they?

A really beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage.

Good grief! What would really be a beautiful moment would be for biological men to face up to the fact that no matter how much they want to be women, no matter how they dress, talk, act or present; they can never alter their biological sex and be a woman.

Agree with your post @ 00.05 100% Rosie51

White woman-yes
Black woman-yes
Tall woman-yes
Old woman-yes
Young woman-yes
Muscular woman-yes
Woman with deep voice-yes
Male woman-no, not possible and calling it trans doesn’t make being female possible.

Yet another chance for the patriarchal feminists on GN who think men should be allowed to take what doesn’t, and can never belong to them, to sing the praises of men. Men can be black, white, short, tall, blond, brunette. Men can’t be female.

I prefer to use the word transwoman; as opposed to trans woman.
That is, they are not a type of woman.

I notice that autocorrect doesn’t like it.

VioletSky

No they are women, trans is just their type of women.

Bit like

White woman
Black woman
Tall woman
Old woman
Young woman

Etc

The great difference between trans women and your list is that the latter are all biological women. Unless of course they’re trans-white/black/young/old/etc.

People have the freedom and right to identify as who they wish. Trans women may be biologically male but know there has been a mistake. They are in a traumatic situation and deserve understanding . We are all living in very troubled times - war , famine, rape, and murder . These are the issues we should all be focussed on. I hope to see more
compassion for trans people and it will come - eventually!
Families with trans teenagers must be going through hell , let’s put ourselves in their shoes and just stop and think about what is happening in their lives . If we are not in that position let’s all spare some time to reflect on on what is happening to others. I apologise for being on my high horse but I feel very strongly about this .

No trans women aren’t like black, white, tall, old or young women. They’re like black, white, tall, old or young trans women.