Vagina Museum

I agree that there are transpeople who are happy living as the other sex; but they are not able to become the other sex, as biology is against this.

It is not transpeople that many people are against - speaking for myself, I wish them well and have a lot of sympathy for them. When it comes to men who insist that they are women, and then want to invade women's spaces (be they prisons, rape suites or changing rooms next to teenage girls), or to have sex with lesbians because the reality is that they are heterosexual men who are attracted to women, or to change the language so that the word 'woman' has become meaningless, or to 'cancel' people who speak against any of this, or to send death threats to people like JK Rowling, because she has pointed out the difference between sex and gender, or who want to share tents or other accommodation with girls and young women on school trips and Scouting camps - I have far less tolerance for them. IMO, colonising the Vagina Museum on IWD falls firmly into the second camp.

Shelflife please don’t fall from your lofty perch. You only have to read any threads about trans to realise that most posters have no issues with transwomen, except those who try to make the fact that they are really male work for them in ways that are detrimental to women. Their issues are with those and the posters who support ALL such transwomen against the rights of women.
Slight deviation: an article in the news this morning about the gender pension gap. Where this applies, would transwomen expect to get the pension they are entitled to as a man or would they accept the lesser pension allocated to the women they aspire to be?
Just asking.

I second all that Doodlebug says.
Not the same as different skin colour at all.

I agree Shelflife and don't recall ever seeing on the numerous threads about trans, anyone ever saying that people don't or shouldn't "have the freedom and right to identify as who they wish".

That is not what this is about. It's about a day which celebrates women being subverted by trans gender, something I feel very strongly about.

Well now, do they have that right Shelflife? I have been pondering this.

I am white Caucasian. If I self identify as Black is it acceptable for me to take part in events celebrating Black achievements or is that appropriation?

Would the Black Community be right in viewing it as another act of White dominance? Could they argue that my taking over an event meant for their community was a reversion to White dominance?

I would not be able to justify my self identification in terms of genetics or in terms of shared experience.

This seems to me to be a very exact parallel to the trans stance.

Callistemon21

maddyone

I didn’t know there is a Vagina Museum in the UK. Or is it somewhere else?

It's next door to the Penis Museum.

A Willy Museum would sound rather more jolly IMO.

And The Fanny Museum, perhaps

Mollygo I see that you use ‘transwoman’ too.
Quite right

You're right Fanny auto correct doesn't like transwoman which is why I changed it.

good point Peasblossom I hadn't thought of that, you've given me something to ponder.

There was a black rights campaigner who pretended that she was black; and got into a lot of bother. It was in the US.
I’ll see if I can find her…

Peasblossom

Well now, do they have that right Shelflife? I have been pondering this.

I am white Caucasian. If I self identify as Black is it acceptable for me to take part in events celebrating Black achievements or is that appropriation?

Would the Black Community be right in viewing it as another act of White dominance? Could they argue that my taking over an event meant for their community was a reversion to White dominance?

I would not be able to justify my self identification in terms of genetics or in terms of shared experience.

This seems to me to be a very exact parallel to the trans stance.

Exactly so.

Rachel Dolezal FannyCornforth

Rachel Dolezal.
She used to work for The NCAAP (who we were discussing a few days ago)
She falsely claimed that she had black origins; and also Native American origins.

Thanks Rosie, you pipped me to it

A nipple created for someone who has lost tissue due to cancer is still a nipple even if it does not have all the functions of one.

Actually it isn't.
It may look similar but it most definitely is not.

Have a look at the Vagina museum. It's simply young women casting off all the prejudices, harmful myths and dangerous stereotypes which have clouded women in the past, so we can move forward and celebrate. If they choose to include transwomen in that they are perfectly within their rights. You do not have to agree with them, but respect their point of view, put aside your own prejudices, acknowledge they have great principles and aims and that they are moving the cause of feminism forward and tackling subjects that were once taboo.

I cannot agree that they are ‘moving the cause of feminism forward’ at all trisher

I respectfully disagree.

Foregrounding men in an exhibition about female genitals is setting feminism back exponentially. To do it on IWD does not, to me, indicate great aims and principles - not at all.

Sorry - should have quoted trisher there.

FannyCornforth Why is her transformation less valid than a transwomen's? Yes she lied about her ethnic roots, but then again transracial self ID isn't generally accepted so I suppose she felt she had to. Inclusivity would demand she should be accepted into the black community "she is what she says she is" is the mantra isn't it?

FannyCornforth

I cannot agree that they are ‘moving the cause of feminism forward’ at all trisher

Well when did you last have a conversation about vaginas? Feminism isn't just about getting the vote it's about making the discussion of things once labelled "women's troubles" acceptable and normal. It's about empowering women to discuss and make sure their needs are met

Doodledog

I respectfully disagree.

Foregrounding men in an exhibition about female genitals is setting feminism back exponentially. To do it on IWD does not, to me, indicate great aims and principles - not at all.

Another case of hijacking.

Doodledog

I respectfully disagree.

Foregrounding men in an exhibition about female genitals is setting feminism back exponentially. To do it on IWD does not, to me, indicate great aims and principles - not at all.

No foregrounding, no exhibition. Just a few tweets

trisher

FannyCornforth

I cannot agree that they are ‘moving the cause of feminism forward’ at all trisher

Well when did you last have a conversation about vaginas? Feminism isn't just about getting the vote it's about making the discussion of things once labelled "women's troubles" acceptable and normal. It's about empowering women to discuss and make sure their needs are met

Hmm my last conversation about vaginas was yesterday. Context - the impact on vaginas and women of childbirth and prolapse.

Trisher
I was referring to the trans takeover on IWD not furthering feminism;
and not referring to the entire Vagina Museum venture.

I should have been more clear, I suppose