Baby P's mother to be released

Apology accepted HowVeryDareYou.

The Sky story reports that Connelly will be subject to restrictions on her movements, activities, who she contacts and 20 extra licence conditions. These include living at a specified address, wearing an electronic tag, following a curfew and having to disclose her relationships. She has also been told she cannot go to certain places to "avoid contact with victims and to protect children”. I understand from other reports that her internet and phone use will be monitored.

Maybe if this level of resource had been available before Baby P was murdered it might not have happened?

I haven’t read the reports on the case - I don’t know if they are in the public domain, but probably wouldn’t read them if they were - but it seems clear that Connolly was/is of limited intelligence and known to the authorities at the time of P’s death. It must have been incredibly frustrating for anyone dealing with the case, but why pour so much money into imprisonment, aftercare and so on, but so little into prevention?

Would I let her out of jail? On the face of it, maybe not - there is a primitive urge to punish and hurt someone who has so cruelly treated a defenceless child - but that is the very reason why it is not up to me. These decisions have to be far more dispassionate than I could ever be, and made by people who are in possession of all the facts, and all the nuances of those facts.

Far from condemning them, I am grateful to them for taking that burden from me - I wouldn’t sleep at night if I had to know the things that they know.

I do expect others to behave like civilised people though. I do find I am often disappointed.

I always find it best not to have expectations on how others should behave.
It saves disappointment.

I did make a thread a while back to ask why it was ok to wish death on Putin.

I don't expect that MissAdventure.

I do expect people not to come on GN threatening or wishing for the murder of another person. Maybe you consider that too high a standard to ask.

Having brains does not mean they will be programmed to think exactly as yours does.

MissAdventure

Perhaps they were one of the one or two who get a bit shouty.
It's an emotive subject.

It may be emotive but those sounding mob-like still have brains. It would be nice if they used them.

I've not read the full thread so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but she's already been released back in 2013. She was free for 2 years but incarcerated again due to selling naked photos of herself. So basically breaking terms of parole.

I would imagine she'll be very carefully monitored.

The minister for justice isn't.

I was (and still am) horrified by what this woman, and her male partners did to this baby. I am also, maybe even slightly more, horrified that adults on this thread, are actually calling for another person to be murdered. It frightens me even more that I imagine that if someone asked them 'Would you be willing to do that killing?' their reply would probably be 'Yes'!!!

This woman, who will be coming out on very strict and controlled licence probably does not constitute a danger to the public - not sure if I could say the same for those posters here who desire murder of another!!

Nothing will ever diminish what this woman did - nor, very sadly, what other men and woman do to children. Our Society bears some of the blame in that we are all so unwilling to pay the extra taxes, etc. it would take to properly fund and support social services.

As has been said, the thousands of cases of child neglect and ill-treatment, that are picked up and prevented by our under-staffed, under-paid, under-resourced social workers is never publicised - only their failures.

This case has been looked into with the greatest of care and concern by the professionals, I am willing to trust their judgement on this.

Volver Apologies. You weren't the one who said I was vile. I don't agree with your views, but I'm sorry for accusing you.

AmberSpyglass You think I'm vile for wishing Baby P's "mother" dead? So be it, your opinion doesn't matter to me

HowVeryDareYou

volver And you might want to be less patronising

And you might want to be more circumspect about having a go at the wrong people. "Patronising" isn't quite as bad as "wrongful accusation".

volver And you might want to be less patronising

No.

When you say someone who gets "shouty", do you mean someone who is so blinded by anger that they abandon all vestige of civilised behaviour?

I think that woman should probably be receiving permanent psychiatric care. She is not normal and never will be. Second chances are all very well but in this instance they need to know why she did what she did and probably have no idea. Maybe when she is past childbearing she could be off the hook, maybe not.

Perhaps they were one of the one or two who get a bit shouty.
It's an emotive subject.

MissAdventure

I don't actually see many people shouting.
One or two, maybe.

What about the person who aggressively asked me last night what was wrong with me? Suggesting my thinking was defective somehow? When, in fact, she had accused me of something I had never said? Something that someone else had said?

That's the thing with lynch mobs. They get carried away with their own righteousness and anybody who gets in the way is collateral damage.

Good post argymargy

I don't actually see many people shouting.
One or two, maybe.

volver

Mine

Don't seem to see many folk who think like you on this one Volver..

Read the thread then. Properly.

Those who agree with you may (like me) hesitate to get involved in what was always going to be a shouting match. The “string ‘em ‘up” brigade will never allow mitigations, never think through their demands and could never imagine themselves leading such desperate lives as the people they condemn. Keyboard lynch mobs forget that many innocent people get mown down in real life.

I really think she should not be allowed to have any more children. All very well removing a baby from her once it’s born, far better for none to be born in the first place.

If that upsets those who feel it abuses her rights, her past behaviour invalidates that.

I am going against the majority here but I believe everyone deserves a second chance. She has served her time, she will be monitored very closely. It is very unlikely she would be allowed to keep another child to bring up. What we don't hear of is all the possible child abuse cases where social services have acted and a potential child death has been averted. Social workers have a hugely difficult job.

Yes, the amount is staggering, much like women killed due to domestic violence.
Sadly this is one of many similar cases.

I'd just like to point out that there are literally countless cases of children being tortured and murdered since this case, especially in the last year where they were appearing in the news every week at one point. Are we going to follow the outcome of all these cases or just this one? She is nothing special. There have been so many of them. There are god knows how many monsters like her serving time just now. I have no faith that the Social Services can protect any child any more.

Hetty58

She'd better disappear - or watch her back, don't you think?

Or what *Hetty58? What are you threatening?