Baby P's mother to be released

Why do you think it was the mother that was well able to pull the wool over the eyes of professionals. There were two men living there as well. We don't, as far as I am aware, know the dynamics of their relationships.

She rubbed, choclolate over his face to hide his injuries.
That's one example, although it seems some people were quite easily hoodwinked.
I think there were other examples, but I can't remember now.

Possibly it was her boyfriend or the lodger who did it.
It makes little difference really to the outcome at this point.

Writing in 2009, Andew Anthony who interviewed Connelly’s mother Mary O’Connor:

Almost everywhere you look in this bleak tale, there is evidence or suggestion of child abuse that multiplies into an ever-expanding matrix of dysfunction.

His report recaps the events:

www.theguardian.com/society/2009/aug/16/baby-p-family

The Sky story reports that Connelly will be subject to restrictions on her movements, activities, who she contacts and 20 extra licence conditions. These include living at a specified address, wearing an electronic tag, following a curfew and having to disclose her relationships. She has also been told she cannot go to certain places to "avoid contact with victims and to protect children”.

I understand from other reports that her internet and phone use will be monitored.

Of course, all this presupposes that the various agencies that will now be reponsible for monitoring her will operate efficiently. If they do, any transgression will see her back in jail. She will not be unaware of this and as manipulative (and manipulated) as she has been in the past, she must know this is her last chance to show that she can now behave responsibly.

Lets hope she is properly monitored, because I know of a few who are tagged that aren't.

She'd better disappear - or watch her back, don't you think?

Hetty58

She'd better disappear - or watch her back, don't you think?

Or what *Hetty58? What are you threatening?

I'd just like to point out that there are literally countless cases of children being tortured and murdered since this case, especially in the last year where they were appearing in the news every week at one point. Are we going to follow the outcome of all these cases or just this one? She is nothing special. There have been so many of them. There are god knows how many monsters like her serving time just now. I have no faith that the Social Services can protect any child any more.

Yes, the amount is staggering, much like women killed due to domestic violence.
Sadly this is one of many similar cases.

I am going against the majority here but I believe everyone deserves a second chance. She has served her time, she will be monitored very closely. It is very unlikely she would be allowed to keep another child to bring up. What we don't hear of is all the possible child abuse cases where social services have acted and a potential child death has been averted. Social workers have a hugely difficult job.

I really think she should not be allowed to have any more children. All very well removing a baby from her once it’s born, far better for none to be born in the first place.

If that upsets those who feel it abuses her rights, her past behaviour invalidates that.

volver

Mine

Don't seem to see many folk who think like you on this one Volver..

Read the thread then. Properly.

Those who agree with you may (like me) hesitate to get involved in what was always going to be a shouting match. The “string ‘em ‘up” brigade will never allow mitigations, never think through their demands and could never imagine themselves leading such desperate lives as the people they condemn. Keyboard lynch mobs forget that many innocent people get mown down in real life.

I don't actually see many people shouting.
One or two, maybe.

MissAdventure

I don't actually see many people shouting.
One or two, maybe.

What about the person who aggressively asked me last night what was wrong with me? Suggesting my thinking was defective somehow? When, in fact, she had accused me of something I had never said? Something that someone else had said?

That's the thing with lynch mobs. They get carried away with their own righteousness and anybody who gets in the way is collateral damage.

Good post argymargy

Perhaps they were one of the one or two who get a bit shouty.
It's an emotive subject.

I think that woman should probably be receiving permanent psychiatric care. She is not normal and never will be. Second chances are all very well but in this instance they need to know why she did what she did and probably have no idea. Maybe when she is past childbearing she could be off the hook, maybe not.

When you say someone who gets "shouty", do you mean someone who is so blinded by anger that they abandon all vestige of civilised behaviour?

No.

volver And you might want to be less patronising

HowVeryDareYou

volver And you might want to be less patronising

And you might want to be more circumspect about having a go at the wrong people. "Patronising" isn't quite as bad as "wrongful accusation".

Volver Apologies. You weren't the one who said I was vile. I don't agree with your views, but I'm sorry for accusing you.

AmberSpyglass You think I'm vile for wishing Baby P's "mother" dead? So be it, your opinion doesn't matter to me

I was (and still am) horrified by what this woman, and her male partners did to this baby. I am also, maybe even slightly more, horrified that adults on this thread, are actually calling for another person to be murdered. It frightens me even more that I imagine that if someone asked them 'Would you be willing to do that killing?' their reply would probably be 'Yes'!!!

This woman, who will be coming out on very strict and controlled licence probably does not constitute a danger to the public - not sure if I could say the same for those posters here who desire murder of another!!

Nothing will ever diminish what this woman did - nor, very sadly, what other men and woman do to children. Our Society bears some of the blame in that we are all so unwilling to pay the extra taxes, etc. it would take to properly fund and support social services.

As has been said, the thousands of cases of child neglect and ill-treatment, that are picked up and prevented by our under-staffed, under-paid, under-resourced social workers is never publicised - only their failures.

This case has been looked into with the greatest of care and concern by the professionals, I am willing to trust their judgement on this.

The minister for justice isn't.

I've not read the full thread so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but she's already been released back in 2013. She was free for 2 years but incarcerated again due to selling naked photos of herself. So basically breaking terms of parole.

I would imagine she'll be very carefully monitored.

MissAdventure

Perhaps they were one of the one or two who get a bit shouty.
It's an emotive subject.

It may be emotive but those sounding mob-like still have brains. It would be nice if they used them.