Meghan and harry

Is spanking a child still legal ?

I’m with you there volver. I don’t find that sort of behaviour acceptable and if it occurs in public I can only assume it’s allowed at home.

GrannyGravy13

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver & Germanshepherdsmum parents have to pick their battles with children of any age, this wasn’t the place to chastise him and risk a further tantrum.

The Duchess chose to laugh/play off the situation, and keep him calm.

Mind you judging by some of the opinions on here and Twitter there are those who would have liked to have seen him put over her knee and spanked, which I think is frankly disgusting.

I didn't expect anything of Kate. Except perhaps to have brought up a better behaved child that didn't need spanking.

Blimey volver I have great respect for you on here, but do find that last post really below the belt.

It's what I think. See my post at 13:43.

With great power comes great responsibility.

Bit of a cross post here WWM2.

But as I said above, I'm not expecting Kate or any of them to do anything on the stands during the pageant.

But, I find it hard to accept that children who are so important to the well being of this nation (apparently) and who have all sorts of attention lavished on them, don't know that putting your hand over your mother's mouth and making rude gestures at her is not acceptable.

Does he behave like that at home? Why on earth did they think that 's OK? Where did he learn that kind of behaviour?

I don't understand what "success" you think they were aiming for!
I also don't understand why there seems to be a group of people on here that have taken a dislike to the couple - unless some of it is racial, with Meaghan being of mixed race.
Harry is the "spare" to the heir and really didn't have much of a job beyond the ceremonial anyway.
The trauma of losing his mother at a young age, plus his time in Afghanistan must have left him with memories that he finds hard to deal with at times - or maybe some of you would rather have seen him carted off for psychiatric treatment somewhere???
The visit was to join in with the celebrations for a much loved granny. Keeping a low key stay would have no doubt helped with security ( ex MOD, high profile figure that I have no doubt has a price on his head for some people)
If they had been seen out, dancing in the streets, surrounded by police officers etc, they'd be some up in arms about that too!
What's to say that they weren't at the concert and parade ? Not all of the Royal stand was shown on camera !

And yes volver, I am sure we can all think back to times when our children misbehaved in public, and ‘let us down’.

Or perhaps all our children, and grandchildren, are perfectly behaved all the time.

Not.

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver & Germanshepherdsmum parents have to pick their battles with children of any age, this wasn’t the place to chastise him and risk a further tantrum.

The Duchess chose to laugh/play off the situation, and keep him calm.

Mind you judging by some of the opinions on here and Twitter there are those who would have liked to have seen him put over her knee and spanked, which I think is frankly disgusting.

I didn't expect anything of Kate. Except perhaps to have brought up a better behaved child that didn't need spanking.

Blimey volver I have great respect for you on here, but do find that last post really below the belt.

Callistemon21

annsixty

Where do children pick up that awful nose thumbing thing?
It looks dreadful and I would not be happy if my C or GD did it.
The baby is beautiful.

That's the thing - he's only just 4 and someone must have shown him that; he didn't make it up himself!
An older sibling who's at school ?

Yah boo sucks!

Maybe it was one of the grandfathers?!

My father would do that to us when we were young children. I've not seen it done for years though!

I thought he was wonderful. There's some brilliant photos of him. Kate knew perfectly well she couldn't remove him from the situation and dealt with him well under the circumstances.

volver

Did you see the video GG13?

It wasn't a joke gesture. He threw a tantrum and was very disrespectful to his mother. It was significantly more than "larking around".

When I was four, I'd have got my bum slapped for behaving like that in public. But then I would never have done it as I knew how to behave, even when I was four. Maybe they don't slap children now. But I hope they did something to let him know that his behaviour was unacceptable, whether you are a prince or a pauper.

I'm off to look for the video.

The point I think that you are missing is that children just like adults differ in their character and resulting behaviour.

How his behaviour is dealt with is nothing to do with us, just the same as how my daughter deals with her children is none of my business.

I know how I would deal with such behaviour, but both my children were/are very quiet well behaved children/adults particularly my DD who will always stick to the rules, (unlike her mother) so I had a very easy time with them both.

Louise’s parents do what they think fit, and it is nothing to do with anyone else.

Nobody has mentioned that Harry was photographed when about Louis’ age, sticking his tongue out for the camera.

GrannyGravy13

volver & Germanshepherdsmum parents have to pick their battles with children of any age, this wasn’t the place to chastise him and risk a further tantrum.

The Duchess chose to laugh/play off the situation, and keep him calm.

Mind you judging by some of the opinions on here and Twitter there are those who would have liked to have seen him put over her knee and spanked, which I think is frankly disgusting.

I didn't expect anything of Kate. Except perhaps to have brought up a better behaved child that didn't need spanking.

It must have been difficult, deciding whether or not Louis should attend certain Jubilee events. At 4, he is old enough to know to behave, but the Pageant was very long, and it’s not surprising he was sometimes bored and yes, naughty. But then there were lots of things going on that he would find entertaining. Imagine if Nanny had come on and dragged him off for misbehaving, the tabloids would have had a field day.

I think his parents wanted him to be part of it, an historic occasion.

I felt sorry for Catherine, she must have been on tenterhooks the entire time.

I watched very little of this weekend’s jamboree, but have seen plenty of photos here and there.. None of us really have any idea of what went on in the background, so blanks are filled in with all sorts of theories, many fuelled by the tabloids who thrive on division.

I’m always baffled by some of the hateful things that are said about H&M… seems from what I’ve seen that they were dignified and understated, and waited till the event was over before releasing the delightful photo of their sweet little girl. I saw plenty of photos of Harry smiling, and plenty of William with a solemn face. Why is this even being commented on? Am I missing something?

If I indulge myself in any kind of imagination, it’s that both of her sons probably really missed their mother when sitting in St Paul’s cathedral. Goodness knows how different everything would have been were she still with them. I like to think that she would have been a unifying factor for her sons, embraced Meghan as much as Kate, adored all her grandchildren, brought them to play together… and perhaps laughed as she watched Louis, remembering what a little pickle Harry was! He’s four years old… immersed in a weird, unnatural setting which demands so much even from the adults.

Why is royal-watching so much like a blood sport?

Nobody has suggested that GG.

Larsonsmum

They did not receive the welcome they expected, and went off back to the US in the huff before the Platinum Jubilee celebrations were even over. I think their attitude while here has made matters worse with the rest of the family. Not what HM the Queen probably had in mind, but she tried.

Would you post a reference to that post or is it your opinion?

volver & Germanshepherdsmum parents have to pick their battles with children of any age, this wasn’t the place to chastise him and risk a further tantrum.

The Duchess chose to laugh/play off the situation, and keep him calm.

Mind you judging by some of the opinions on here and Twitter there are those who would have liked to have seen him put over her knee and spanked, which I think is frankly disgusting.

Poor Kate - down the naughty end with Louis. I wonder how William would have dealt with him?

I though his behaviour on the balcony after Trooping the Colour was endearing and normal for a four year old but I changed my mind when I watched him during the pageant.

I doubt the nanny is too soft because she’s been with them since George was born and he and Charlotte are impeccably behaved.

Maybe Kate needs to have ventriloquist lessons so she can have a ‘Wait till I get you home.’ moment without the lip readers picking up on it.

For Louis’ sake I hope things improve or he’ll be expected to live up to his naughty boy image by the press which will dog him when he starts school.

I think Larsonsmum is right that they left early.
They had their jet parked at Farnborough Airport for the duration and flew out at 1:30 p.m. Not sure what time the procession started but it certainly wasn't over by then, Casdon. This however doesn't mean that this wasn't an arranged early-leaving thing and I don't think it's fair to assume it's proof of anything.

I agree volver.

GrannyGravy13

I did see the video volver I sympathise with any parent when a toddler is acting up and as this incident was on display to millions worldwide my sympathy is in abundance.

Unless anyone knows what was the cause, I do not feel qualified to judge others parenting skills, obviously some feel differently.

Hmm I know I'm out of step with current thinking, but I think children should behave in public. I know (at least I think I know ) that we are meant to be understanding of the reasons that children do things. But no child gets to put their hand over their mother's mouth or make rude gestures towards her, not in my book.

No sympathy from me, I'm afraid.

Callistemon21

^Maybe they don't slap children now^

No, and quite rightly.

Since 7th November 2020 parental smacking has been a criminal offence in Scotland. The Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in October 2019
Physically punishing children is illegal in Wales.
We want to protect children and their rights, to give them the best start in life.

Perhaps it's allowed in England still. But would you expect Kate to have walloped Louis in public?
I'm quite sure she doesn't in private either.

When I was four, I'd have got my bum slapped for behaving like that in public.
I read awful stories on GN about posters who were hit as children. It's very sad.

I've just posted elsewhere about people taking comments out of context.

Here we are again.

I won't rise to the "damaged old women of Gransnet" bait.

I did see the video volver I sympathise with any parent when a toddler is acting up and as this incident was on display to millions worldwide my sympathy is in abundance.

Unless anyone knows what was the cause, I do not feel qualified to judge others parenting skills, obviously some feel differently.

I do wonder about the expectations required of, and the privileges given to, those three children. Riding in the carriage, only children on the balcony, front row centre at the performance. It really can't be good for them. They may have roles to play in the future but I can't see that exposing them as they were at the weekend does them anything except harm.

Maybe they don't slap children now

No, and quite rightly.

Since 7th November 2020 parental smacking has been a criminal offence in Scotland. The Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in October 2019
Physically punishing children is illegal in Wales.
We want to protect children and their rights, to give them the best start in life.

Perhaps it's allowed in England still. But would you expect Kate to have walloped Louis in public?
I'm quite sure she doesn't in private either.

When I was four, I'd have got my bum slapped for behaving like that in public.
I read awful stories on GN about posters who were hit as children. It's very sad.

I haven’t seen it but children should certainly be disciplined for doing what volver describes. There’s a fine line between being cute and being a brat and, in his position, an entitled one.