Prince Louie going through THAT stage

volver

We were on holiday last week and visited an attraction that was interesting for adults and children. There is a one-way route round the building. About 2 minutes after we arrived a gang - and I use the word advisedly - of people arrived, mainly loud, screaming, selfish children who literally ran around the building, splitting into groups so that they could annoy as many people as possible. The completely ineffectual adult with them kept telling them to slow down, stop screaming, etc. No effect whatsoever. It did cross my mind that some of them might not be neurotypical but to be honest my patience is short when something I've paid for is completely ruined by children running amok. We left the building after only about 15 minutes.

There are limits to what a person should be expected to treat as acceptable behaviour. Spoiling things for other people is not acceptable behaviour. Neither is raising your hands to your mother in public.

Ah don’t worry volver a solution would be to check before you go anywhere that there are not any neurodivergent folks attending.

We were brought up to be patient and kind and never to jump to conclusions, especially when unaware of the full facts.

One of mine (the eldest) was a regular tantrum thrower - right up to the age of six. Nothing we ever tried or did made much difference. (He still has a low boredom tolerance in his 40s.)

I remember very well the disapproving looks, probably from those with no idea - and naturally placid kids!

We were on holiday last week and visited an attraction that was interesting for adults and children. There is a one-way route round the building. About 2 minutes after we arrived a gang - and I use the word advisedly - of people arrived, mainly loud, screaming, selfish children who literally ran around the building, splitting into groups so that they could annoy as many people as possible. The completely ineffectual adult with them kept telling them to slow down, stop screaming, etc. No effect whatsoever. It did cross my mind that some of them might not be neurotypical but to be honest my patience is short when something I've paid for is completely ruined by children running amok. We left the building after only about 15 minutes.

There are limits to what a person should be expected to treat as acceptable behaviour. Spoiling things for other people is not acceptable behaviour. Neither is raising your hands to your mother in public.

to GG13.

GG13 I often frequented the restos in Epping High Street, but wasn't aware of any misbehaving kids. My noisy clowning GC sat on a table next to Lord Sugar once, and he didn't bat an eyelid!

Paddyanne I explained and showed how to use a knife and fork, and never, ever asked them to knock my bedroom door .
I note you know say train/taught, yes children need to be taught

I've just got back from a few hours in school and managed to grab a quick chat with a highly qualified, expereinced and wise member of staff who holds an SPLD diploma.
She has watched the footage several times over, and while we all agree that he was a very naughty little boy, her take on the incident was interesting. She suggested it could be a case of over disciplining and too much disapproval directed at the boy. Apparently if you watch all the video, at some time before Charlotte was laying into her brother about sucking his thumb, (actually copying and making fun of him), Mike was giving the evil glare, William leaned across with a frown to his wife, and Kate was doing her best to correct Louis in a reasoned manner. It could be likened to a pile on, and the little lad felt he was being told off from all angles. Often there is sadly no escape from this but to live up to the bad name others are giving, especially when you are cornered and can't articulate your feelings in a difficult situation

Moreover she notice that the little boy started slapping himself, so he obviously acknowledged his own misdemeanours afterwards.

As I said before, I think people should cut Louis and his mother some slack, or try to understand the predicament.

Gosh my children did behave like this regularly! and no doubt there were many of the disapproving gransnet ilk tutting at me! It makes me mad when people criticise other peoples parenting! Its bloody hard raising children and not all children are neurotypical either! ( Although the 3 Royal children are to the best of my knowledge) no two children respond the same so unless you have personally brought up that specific child then you have no right to criticise?

paddyann54

Do tell Curlywhirly if this was a child in a supermarket behaving like that to his mother ,would your reaction be the same ?
Or would single mother ,brat ,no discipline ..future ned ,be what would spring to mind ?

Being a Grandparent to an autistic GC, I have encountered professional tutters and exceptionally kind and understanding people when they have had a meltdown whilst out.

The looks we had when they were younger and they were allowed to sit under the table in restaurants with earphones and a game’s counsel in between courses were priceless as were the comments.

As a family we used to smile when the enraged from Epping made accidental eye contact, then ignore them and their ignorance.

I had girls and honestly, they weren’t really like that. They were little angels (until they were teens lol)
I’m expecting my first grandchild in November and it’s a boy so I wonder if it’s going to be more like this lol ?

Do tell Curlywhirly if this was a child in a supermarket behaving like that to his mother ,would your reaction be the same ?
Or would single mother ,brat ,no discipline ..future ned ,be what would spring to mind ?

I thought the Royal children behaved very well considering how long they were there at what must have seemed to them a rather repetitive and boring event. They were just doing what any children that age do. I'd rather see them like that than restrained and formal. And why on earth did George have to wear a suit!? I'm sure he'd have been more relaxed and comfortable in casual clothes.

oh dear Annie so you didn't toilet train them or train/teach by repeating to them how to use their cutlery properly or tie their shoelaces .or to knock doors before wandering into bedrooms etc etc .How amazing that your children grew up knowing how to do all those things
.Mine must have been really thick ,I had to train/teach them how to do things, even how to behave in public .Guess what ,they did .
Of course I was one of these awful mums who worked ( and took them with me) so they had to learn early ,they couldn't run riot in a workspace .

volver

And that would be OK would it?

He raises his hand to his mother. In public. "Bless him."

Of course not. But I think trying to smack someone is a little more serious than shooing someone away!

We all have our opinion and no one is right and no one is wrong.

Before we can blink the lad will be 18.....

The idea of banishing a 4 year old to Nanny gave me the shivers. He was in the middle of his family, next to mummy, just where he needed to be. His behaviour was no more than could be expected of many 4 year old boys.

Cross post merlotgran

And that would be OK would it?

He raises his hand to his mother. In public. "Bless him."

Curlywhirly

It doesn't look like that to me Volver - it looks like he's trying to shoo her away.

And that’s OK? ?

It doesn't look like that to me Volver - it looks like he's trying to shoo her away.

42 seconds in. The little angel trying to smack his mum.

www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2701711/Video-Moment-playful-Prince-Louis-shushes-mother-Kate-Platinum-Pageant.html

Daily Mail. Sorry.

BlueBelle

That was a right old strop prince Louie pulled off watching the parade with poor Kate trying to be firm in the midst of the worlds eyes He pulled faces, he thumbed his nose tried to smack her face a few times I think that he needed the naughty step , I wonder if that’s where he went when they got home He’s obviously ‘the character’ in the family

I really don't think Louis tried to 'smack ' his mum, it was more a case of him trying to cover her mouth, presumably to stop her telling him off. I think they are all perfectly normal children and a bored 3 year old is bound to have got fidgety sitting there for such a long time.

I wonder why his nanny was not close by to remove him from the scene?
A four year old does actually know that behaving like that, trying to slap his mother's face and being disrespectful will have consequences. Being removed from the centre of attention is a good place to start.

He clearly has a good relationship with his grandfather, HRH The Prince of Wales. How comfortable they both looked when he climbed on his lap.

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