Sick people in shops

Baggs Life can't go "back to normal" while Covid is around. It won't be the same as it was before. Sure, people can go out, businesses can operate, etc, but there need to be mitigations. The NHS needs to budget for Covid and the benefits system needs to adjust to Long Covid and more generous sick pay. At the moment, it seems as though the government and its supporters are turning a blind eye to reality and pretending there aren't any issues.

Personally, I will wear a mask for as long as I want and I don't really care how people look at me. Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but I don't understand why it's anybody else's business or how it affects them. People on buses and shops, etc can do what they want and I shall continue to give them a wide berth because I haven't a clue who they are or whether they're infected. Why do people think they have the right to come on a site like GN and criticise people for doing what they think is sensible and thoughtful?

Well they can of course ....and I'm sure many do if they know they have covid

Good for him, jax. I like his spirit.

mdoll, there is no venom in my posts, nor any lack of compassion. I work with clinically vulnerable people and that's one of the reasons I chose not to go the the Glasgow meetups, especially the first one when I felt the risk of my catching something on the train of which I'd probably be unaware was too high.

I'm glad your clinician encouraged you to go. S/he could probably see that it would do you good after all the shielding.

What follows is not directed at you.

What I resent is the apparent assumption by many people that wanting life to go back to normal is selfish. It isn't. Far too much collateral damage has been done to far too many people, especially children, by what I'm going to call all the covid theatre.

Marydoll

LOUISA* You obviously haven't read my posts properly. At no point have I accused anyone of being selfish.

I do respect others choices (even if I don't agree) and as I have said, it is solely my responsibility, as I have already stated on many other threads. However equally, posters should respect my choices too.
All I ask is that people see the other side of the coin and show a little compassion and understanding of what it is like, to have this constant worry. There are some on GN, who are quite harsh with their criticism.

You have absolutely little or no knowledge of my health nor circumstances.
My DIL, an optician had to go to work during the pandemic, despite my granddaughter being CEV, I know exactly how stressful that was. My DIL was terrified of bringing Covid into the house and eventually resigned from her job. They live five minutes away and I never saw them face to face for a year.
Furthermore, I understand that your daughter didn't have that luxury. Her circumstances sound extremely difficult.

My question, However, are we to stay in our homes forever? was directed at those who think we should do just that. It was meant to be ironic. #fail.

I have already had five vaccinations and will have a sixth in August. Despite this I am still very careful, with whom I mix with and where I go. It's a matter of balance. Twice last week
I was going to be admitted to hospital, but after much deliberation, my clinicians decided I should stay a home, where I would be safer. What does that tell you?
They obviously still have concerns about Covid being around. I think I trust them, rather than those on here, who say it is no longer a worry.

I haven't said you have accused anyone of being selfish ....

..I said that 'I' don't think people are selfish for wanting to go back to their normal ways...of course I don't know anything about you...or you me....I spoke about my DSIL before....you must be mixing me up with someone else.....actually my own DD ( like your DIL).lives 5mins from me....and also works in an opticians .... and I saw her almost every day, as well as my GD, thru covid....I made that choice....to me it was worth the risk....same as you made the choice not to see yours....and neither of our decisions are 'wrong' ....and of course covid is still around...its here for good .....people will only be understanding to a point....they want their lives back....and I completely get that.

I have a friend who is CEV, he’s gone from shielding to the other extreme, a rock concert, unnecessary shopping and back to helping at various voluntary associations in the village. Personally, in that situation I’d not have taken such risks, but it’s his life, if he ever whinges about others or bemoans his circumstances we do have a frank discussion!

If a person is HIV positive and has unprotected sex with somebody, I think most people would quite rightly blame the person with HIV, not the person who didn't insist on protection, silly as it might have been.

M0nica

Marydoll probably not. While I would, and do respect how someone feels, when out. But if I had any severe problems, I simply wouldn't want to to rely on anyone else doing things to protect me. I simply would not trust my self protection to anyone but myself.

But protecting each other as well as oneself is what public health is all about. It's how societies interact and survive.

LOUISA1523

My partner has had covid with no symptoms as do lots of people...you are likely far more at risk from these people than the man you talk of ....people are carrying on with their lives these days...so if you are vulnerable its down to you to protect yourself....you can't keep calling people selfish....lots have to work with covid now as they don't get paid ...they have to pick their kids up .... they have to get provisions ... we've moved on ....we all have to make our own decisions now.... very judgy OP?

Why can't people wear masks when they pick their kids up or buy groceries?

LOUISA* You obviously haven't read my posts properly. At no point have I accused anyone of being selfish.

I do respect others choices (even if I don't agree) and as I have said, it is solely my responsibility, as I have already stated on many other threads. However equally, posters should respect my choices too.
All I ask is that people see the other side of the coin and show a little compassion and understanding of what it is like, to have this constant worry. There are some on GN, who are quite harsh with their criticism.

You have absolutely little or no knowledge of my health nor circumstances.
My DIL, an optician had to go to work during the pandemic, despite my granddaughter being CEV, I know exactly how stressful that was. My DIL was terrified of bringing Covid into the house and eventually resigned from her job. They live five minutes away and I never saw them face to face for a year.
Furthermore, I understand that your daughter didn't have that luxury. Her circumstances sound extremely difficult.

My question, However, are we to stay in our homes forever? was directed at those who think we should do just that. It was meant to be ironic. #fail.

I have already had five vaccinations and will have a sixth in August. Despite this I am still very careful, with whom I mix with and where I go. It's a matter of balance. Twice last week
I was going to be admitted to hospital, but after much deliberation, my clinicians decided I should stay a home, where I would be safer. What does that tell you?
They obviously still have concerns about Covid being around. I think I trust them, rather than those on here, who say it is no longer a worry.

Marydoll

^so if you are vulnerable its down to you to protect yourself....you can't keep calling people selfish.^

Of course it the responsibility of those of us, who are CEV and immunocompromised to keep ourselves safe. I wouldn't expect anyone to keep me safe. The vulnerability is mine.
However, are we to stay in our homes forever?

Sometimes, I become quite sad at the lack of compassion, humanity, and consideration for others, I see on GN.
I often wonders how some posters would react if they suddenly found themselves, labelled as CEV. Would their opinions change?

No, because we dont know what goes on in other peoples lives, not my place to judge.
I think it is unreasonable to presume. People have to get on with their lives as stated by MD

MayBee70

I, too am going to leave this thread because I don’t think people are even attempting to understand some of the points of view that are being expressed. I think that covid has shown people in this country to be very self centred and uncaring. We all have to do our bit both to protect ourselves and to protect other people.

What about the point of view of mine? My coughing nephew? I imagine some people would react with horror if they came across him. He doesn't look well at all either. I'd be so upset if people treated him as if he was persona non grata.

Also as mentioned earlier, many people are asymptomatic. How would you avoid them?

My eldest grandson tested positive. He was totally unaffected. No symptoms at all.

But according to some it appears my nephew would be looked at with disdain and grandson could go anywhere he wanted . Infecting as he went.

I, too am going to leave this thread because I don’t think people are even attempting to understand some of the points of view that are being expressed. I think that covid has shown people in this country to be very self centred and uncaring. We all have to do our bit both to protect ourselves and to protect other people.

I caught Covid while attending for an emergency appointment at the dentist. When I entered the waiting room everyone was seated wearing masks and I sat down next to the door on one side and an empty seat on the other, A few minutes later a young man came out of the toilet not wearing a mask and sat in the empty chair beside me. Within minutes he was "snottering & sneezing" and searching his pockets unsuccessfully for a handkerchief - well, I would hope that was what he was doing but was unsuccessful. I turned my face away from him and made sure my mask was secured. I got called very quickly and attended to. As my members of my family work in hospitality and education we have all been testing regularly and guess what? Two days later I tested positive. My DD couldn't believe I didn't walk out but I was in pain but I will admit I maybe should have or at least said something at the time.

Marydoll

^so if you are vulnerable its down to you to protect yourself....you can't keep calling people selfish.^

Of course it the responsibility of those of us, who are CEV and immunocompromised to keep ourselves safe. I wouldn't expect anyone to keep me safe. The vulnerability is mine.
However, are we to stay in our homes forever?

Sometimes, I become quite sad at the lack of compassion, humanity, and consideration for others, I see on GN.
I often wonders how some posters would react if they suddenly found themselves, labelled as CEV. Would their opinions change?

Actually I am CEV ....I was eligible for 4 jabs...All of which I've had .....and no...I don't think people are selfish for wanting to get back out there....the vulnerability is also mine....I choose to get out and live my life .....I just got back from Glastonbury where every other person seems to have got covid....I did not...
Just lucky I guess....its hardly lack of compassion to and humanity to get on with life....when my DSIL had covid a couple of weeks ago she still had to go to work otherwise she wouldn't get paid....she still had to pick her kids up...she still had to shop....she's a single mum and no one else to do it .....she's not selfish ....she's looking out for her family...same as you have to look out for yourself...
Same as I do.....so no, my opinion as a CEV person remains the same as when you ASSUMED I wasn't CEV ....if you want to stay home thats your choice .
..I respect that..... shame you can't do the same and respect other peoples choices

Poor man.

Baggs

I realise I can nnever go to a Glesca grans meet-up ever again because I'm a selfish bastard, sick of covid shit.

Except I'm not.

Who has said that of you? Certainly not I! You are being ridiculous now. Everyone is welcome.
I am truly shocked at your venom.

Baggs I made that decision to go and made no demands of the other people there to keep me safe. As I have previously said, I do not ask anyone, nor have ever asked anyone to make sacrifices for me.
My vulnerability is solely MY responsibility.

I don't know why I am feel I have to to explain and defend my actions. You weren't there, so you don't know what the situation was.

All I was asking earlier for was some compassion and understanding from posters.
For your information, I went with the approval of my clinician, although that is really none of your business.
Sometimes we need to make our mental health our priority over our physical health.

I think it's time for me to leave this thread, now that it has become personal. I must say, I never expected this from you.

The thing is many people are asymptomatic. You could be stood next to someone who is Covid positive. They don't know they are positive, they feel fine. But they could pass the virus on

It's rather irked me this because I have a nephew who has CF. He coughs. A lot. Should he never leave the house in case he coughs and upsets someone?

I realise I can nnever go to a Glesca grans meet-up ever again because I'm a selfish bastard, sick of covid shit.

Except I'm not.

I just want people to stop ramming covid down my throat. It has got, as meryl says, bat-shit bonkers.

Marydoll

^so if you are vulnerable its down to you to protect yourself....you can't keep calling people selfish.^

Of course it the responsibility of those of us, who are CEV and immunocompromised to keep ourselves safe. I wouldn't expect anyone to keep me safe. The vulnerability is mine.
However, are we to stay in our homes forever?

Sometimes, I become quite sad at the lack of compassion, humanity, and consideration for others, I see on GN.
I often wonders how some posters would react if they suddenly found themselves, labelled as CEV. Would their opinions change?

And yet, mdoll, you have put yourself in risk positions (Glasgow Concert Hall cafe) that I chose not to put myself into in case I picked up something that might put more vulnerable friends at risk of catching covid.

I feel no more at risk of covid than I do of flu, which is not at all, even without the vaccines (which I had) but I have deliberately avoided risks that I know you have taken.

How does that figure?

Exactly Meryl

People with high blood pressure can cough a lot if they are taking Ramipril. It doesn't happen with everyone but it is very annoying if it happens to you. Mind you it can clear a space around you in shops. Taking an alternative drug now, cough cleared in a few days.

Got covid here, first time, got too relaxed and I know I got it from a coughing man in a well ventilated room. Am now day ten, very little energy still but improving. I kept looking at this man and thinking, surely you wouldn't come to a meeting if you thought you might be infectious? I was wrong, lesson learned going forward.

Perhaps we should build compounds for those who are CEV, and have coughs to keep them away from the public. That way, everyone else would be able to get on with their lives, without any constraints on their freedom. ?

#I'm alright Jack.

PS, that was meant to be a tongue in cheek comment.