Prince Harry’s speech

Callistemon21

We pay for the security of the Head of State and his/her representatives.
We pay for security for certain members of the Government.

It would be exactly the same whatever kind of system we have.

So if we have a H of State their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would be not only guaranteed a job for life but security to go with it? I very much doubt that
Incidentally any idea that security is just for working events is thoroughly squashed by the security Prince George currently has at school (is he a "working royal"?).
The total cost including the police protection that we pay for is estimated to be around £100 million. And you're complaining because Harry offered to pay for his own!
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/100million-to-guard-21-royals-around-234485

Estimated!

So if we have a H of State their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would be not only guaranteed a job for life but security to go with it? I very much doubt that

A different debate, Glorianny

And you're complaining because Harry offered to pay for his own!

I couldn't care less, actually, I just am more interested in whether or not a precedent would be set.

He can't expect to have one rule for him and another for his cousins, relatives and for other members of the public.

Anniebach

Estimated!

It's impossible to discover the actual costs Anniebach Freedom of Information requests about the costs, the number of officers employed and the royals concerned have been refused because it is regarded as a security risk!!!
However a number of RaSP officers sued the Met. and had a huge pay settlement
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6544037/Royal-protection-officers-home-100-000-salaries-legal-claim.html
So £100 million is a conservative estimate.

Callistemon21

^And you're complaining because Harry offered to pay for his own!^

I couldn't care less, actually, I just am more interested in whether or not a precedent would be set.

He can't expect to have one rule for him and another for his cousins, relatives and for other members of the public.

But what is the rule Callistemon21 is Prince George a "working royal"?

Callistemon21

^So if we have a H of State their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren would be not only guaranteed a job for life but security to go with it? I very much doubt that^

A different debate, Glorianny

Not so far as the security goes. William and Kate demanded more for George and got it.

Oh dear, this is getting tedious. Glorianny for the third time today:

The Queen
Prince Charles and Camilla
and
Prince William and his family

are all given 24 hour police protection! What is difficult to understand about that? It’s because they’re senior royals. It’s really not difficult.

Other royals are afforded protection as and when they are engaged in royal duties. In other words, when they are working.

Senior royals, as named above, get 24 hour protection, whether they are working or not working. George is the child of a senior royal and in direct line to the throne. His siblings are also the children of a senior royal and so get 24 hour protection along with their parents.

Do you really find this difficult to understand?

Another very simple concept;

Harry cannot buy police protection because police protection is not for sale for individuals.

Simple!

As I said upthread, the goalposts will be moved every time because it is indefensible to say one individual can buy police protection but another can't.

Harry has stated he wants no part of the obligations of having been born into the RF, no royal duties or obligation to reside in the UK. Surely he can renounce his title and place in the succession order, remain a loving member of his family and just be the ordinary Joe he claims to want to be. No higher profile than any other celebrity.

But Harry is next in line after William's children. So theoretically he is still regardless of what any of you may feel about him a potential monarch. If for example something was to happen to Charles and William before George was old enough Harry would be regent,
I really don't care about any of them. But it amuses me the way lines are drawn- working royals are the only people who have protection (they're not)
You can't but police protection -no but you can demand more at the public expense.
And how secretive the whole matter is.
It just shows how they have managed to make what is in fact a rich family, charging poor people for their protection, acceptable.

Working royals are the only royals who have state funded police protection. Whether you like it or not!

Who has demanded more state funded police protection? And got it.

The fact that we provide state funded police protection to a very rich family is all to do with the Queen (or whoever is our monarch at any particular time) being our Head of State. I would like to live in a true democracy and have an elected Head of State, but that’s not how it is. We have to work with the status quo, and so at this point in time, certain royals get full time police protection, and other royals get temporary police protection when engaged in royal duties.

Obviously our Prime Minister gets full time police protection, and I believe all ex Prime Ministers continue to receive protection for the rest of their lives. I don’t know about any other government ministers, I suspect not, but I don’t know.

With regard to Harry becoming a regent if Charles and William died, I believe that is correct as nothing has been changed since Harry abdicated his royal duties and status. Anyway nothing has been changed as far as I am aware, perhaps others know more. I’m not sure that the public would find this acceptable and it could cause more calls for an elected Head of State. I don’t know, I hope it never happens. It’s very unlikely.

But Harry is next in line after William's children. So theoretically he is still regardless of what any of you may feel about him a potential monarch. If for example something was to happen to Charles and William before George was old enough Harry would be regent
Given that Harry isn't prepared to carry out Royal duties as 6th in line to the throne, what makes you think he'd take on the role of regent if it arose? I refer you to my suggestion in my post of 13.08. I'd have a bit more respect for him if he did, at least that would be honest.

Meghan would probably enjoy being the wife of the Regent.

She might condescend to move back to the UK if that were the case.

?????????

That was my thought Calendargirl - she’d not mind being first violin would she?

No way was she going to play second fiddle… I still think Meghan knew she’d missed her chance by not hooking William and then settling for Harry and the hope a sprinkling of Hollywood stardust would mean they could beat the pecking order!

Harry might be regent if George (or Charlotte or Louis) became monarch while still a minor, but that is only a future possibility.

However, he is not regent at this moment, he is just a non-working member of the royal family who is not representing the Queen at an event, and as such he is not entitled to official police protection, any more than any other member who is not representing the monarch. The police are not a firm of commercial bodyguards, and are not for hire. If Harry were allowed to employ them, it would form a precedent for any other visiting celebrity to ask to buy their services.

I actually thought that initially Meghan and Harry showed a lot of promise and looked very happy in their new rôles. Lots of enthusiasm and wanting to co-operate with other members of the royal family. Difficult to put a finger on when things changed and why.

I do wish William would not travel with his children, especially in helicopters. If a dreadful accident occurred then Harry would be next in line, the ravens would leave the Tower of London and the country would fall.

Many a time when we all flew as a family I said a prayer prior to take off. Not that I was ever going to be Queen, but there was a nasty SiL next in line to inherit everything!! DH took the attitude that he didn't care because he would never be around to see the disaster she made. Maybe that's how William feels?!

Harry and Megan at the State opening of Parliament !

The Regency Act of 1937 states that the Regent has to be resident in the United Kingdom - has Harry foregone his right to be Regent by moving to the States?
Could they bypass him?

Who's next?

Oh no!

If Harry and his family are not eligible the next in line is Andrew! That would definitely be the end of the monarchy. Unless he stepped down, then it would be Queen Beatrice.

As the eldest child of the second in line to the throne, George is entitled to protection, Harry is not and he's not allowed to pay privately for police protection; no one is.

Harry knows this so perhaps it's just a way to keep himself 'relevant' and in the news.