Prince Harry’s speech

Harry was just asking that he be given the same degree of protection others in his family have
The only ones who receive protection funded by the taxpayer are working royals and their small children.

If the government wins costs will most likely be awarded - to Harry.
However Harry is a private individual, not a senior, working member of the royal family. None of the other members of the royal family get tax payer funded security, nor do they pay the police to protect them because the police are not for sale. Only working, senior royals (the Queen, Prince Charles and Camilla, Prince William and family) get full time, tax payer funded security. Edward and his wife and Princess Anne get security only when engaged in royal engagements. No other royals get tax payer funded protection. Should he be able to buy it? No! The police are not for sale. Large gatherings such as football matches pay a reasonable share towards the costs of policing matches/events, but otherwise no one pays for police security. Harry can pay for his own security in the country, absolutely no problem, but it cannot be the tax payer funded police. They are not for sale!

But he's rejected his position and everything that went with it.

Rosie51

Glorianny would you extend that availability to anyone prepared to pay for their personal security, or would you have 'entitlement rules'? Should our police protection squad be advertised as 'for hire'?
Sometimes principles cost.

That's a bit ridiculous. Unless you mean should every member of the British public be entitled to the same degree of protection the RF have. In which case why not? Harry was just asking that he be given the same degree of protection others in his family have, only he didn't expect us to pay for it. They do.

Glorianny

I find it very odd that someone has offered to pay for their personal security which would mean there would be no cost to the taxpayer and has been refused the right to do so, but the government is prepared to instead spend thousands of pounds on a legal challenge, which they may or may not be able to recover if they win. I'd far rather they'd just let him cough up.

I think paying the police force for personal security might set a precedent and we could find every Tom , Dick or Harry (sorry!) with money to splurge would be demanding the same privilege.

Good post maddyone I think you’ve hit the nail in the head.

It’s got nothing at all to do with security, it’s about control…Meghan knew exactly what she was doing and the annoyance on Harry’s face as she did it was very telling! She’d just undermined his argument!

Glorianny would you extend that availability to anyone prepared to pay for their personal security, or would you have 'entitlement rules'? Should our police protection squad be advertised as 'for hire'?
Sometimes principles cost.

I find it very odd that someone has offered to pay for their personal security which would mean there would be no cost to the taxpayer and has been refused the right to do so, but the government is prepared to instead spend thousands of pounds on a legal challenge, which they may or may not be able to recover if they win. I'd far rather they'd just let him cough up.

I also find it puzzling that Harry wants to be ‘just Harry’ but also wants privileges that are only given to senior royals. He certainly isn’t a senior royal anymore is he?
When Meghan and Harry arrived here for the jubilee celebrations, it was reported that the Queen sent her personal car for them. This car is bullet proof and has darkened windows at the back to protect the privacy of the occupants.
Meghan wound down her window and looked at the crowds! She was photographed doing this. If they are seriously worried about security, why would she do this?

Joseanne because they chose to dance with the devil ?

I'm getting confused. Which system does Harry want to be part of? He can't be in both.

Thanks Anniebach about the Paris stopover, but I'm still not sure why they needed to go into Central Paris to dine at the Ritz. There must have been a few good takeaways near Dodi's appartment.

Why does it feel as though someone else is pulling his strings?

Probably because they are!

Sow now apparently Harry is filing his second lawsuit against the UK government and Scotland Yard over the decision to ban him from paying for Police protection in Britain. Apparently he doesn't feel safe coming over here.
Prince Harry second lawsuit
I imagine most people would imagine he could afford to pay for his own protection, and he's not a member of the RF any more so why should we pay it.

Why does it always feel as though someone else is pulling his strings?

Joseanne they stopped in Paris because Diana wanted to see
the home of The Windsors, Al Fayed owned it, her visit was
announce prior to her visit.

Annie I'm convinced the parading around the yacht in the Med was done expressly for the paps, but why didn't they fly directly home to London from Sardinia? I don't get the Paris stopover. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Nothing to do with leaving a luxurious apartment in the Hotel
knowing the paps were outside just to speed through Paris to
another luxurious apartment at night

Nothing to do with not wearing a seatbelt, speeding, and a drunk driver then?

eazybee

My limited experience, via the local twinning association, of the French is that they are all absolutely fascinated by the Royal Family. At the time they all believed that Prince Philip gave orders for Diana to be killed because obviously it couldn't be the fault of the French driver.

I thought he did at the time,so did a lot of people. Now I believe it was MI 6 or whatever they call the people who protect the status quo.

That’s hot enough Joseanne!
Well for me anyway!

You're right eazybee, they are fascinated. When they talk about La Reine in France you know straightaway it is our one despite there being umpteen queens around the world.
I think they sometimes feel a bit of nostalgia, maybe even regret! Even a bit of envy!

My limited experience, via the local twinning association, of the French is that they are all absolutely fascinated by the Royal Family. At the time they all believed that Prince Philip gave orders for Diana to be killed because obviously it couldn't be the fault of the French driver.

Approaching 30 degrees next week ,
* JenniferEccles*. Unusual for the area, all very dry and even recent fires across the moors.

maddyone

Absolutely agree with you Glorianny but that doesn’t lesson my interest in what happened with regard to Meghan. We are constantly told that we don’t know, we weren’t there. Well Tom Bower is extremely well respected for his books which are carefully and thoroughly researched. He writes nothing that can’t be verified. Therefore I want to read his book to find out. My choice.

Tom Bower used to be respected for his books and his research, the last two, especially the Corbyn one was slated for its inaccuracies www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/24/dangerous-hero-tom-bower-jeremy-corbyn-hatchet-job-failure
And the Johnson one for its lack of content www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2020/10/the-gambler-boris-johnson-biography-tom-bower-review
Perhaps he is now too busy jumping on bandwagons and making money.

A holiday in Brittany Joseanne
How lovely! I guess the weather is similar to here, hot and sunny, yet without the possibly extreme heat of the Med?

I think I will try to get Tom Bower’s H and M book from the library. Like others have said he is a well respected author with a reputation for meticulous research.

Harry and Meghan. The gift which keeps on giving as they say!

Maddy there has been no back stabbing by the list by Chestnut, it has all been reported by the media, this is the reason I asked. Diana , Megan and Harry have given tv interviews and they plunged the knife in.

We will never know the truth about the Queen Mother and
Duchess of Windsor, we are told the Q.M. couldn’t forgive because of the abdication , I think she wanted to marry the
Duke of Windsor but he didn’t want to marry her, I don’t
.know.

Yes the interview was appalling.