Duchess of Sussex the bullying has to stop.

heath480

So delighted that you are American and listen to the news,three cheers for you.Perhaps stick to American forums,you are making a complete fool of yourself here.

You actually were comparing Meghan Markle to Michelle Obama,re read what you wrote,do you understand basic English?

Hilarious that you continue to defend the indefensible.Nelson Mandela’s grandson has been interviewed today on GB News,confirming Meghan’s lies.It all she is capable of,lie after lie,after lie.

You appear to have just joined Gransnet to comment on this thread,do you work for Omid Scobie?

Appallingly unpleasant, xenophobic post. Reportable but I won’t. Hopefully even those who are firmly in the anti MM camp will agree this is not representative of either GN or the Uk.

Why do our American members get such a hard time?

Makes no sense to me

That wasn't ok

Xenophobic jealousy ?The vast majority are lovely on here but there is always one and fine that they should have different views but not fine to personally attack the person they disagree with.

Let’s not make it personal. But I wonder if there is an inbuilt British cynicism when it comes to people who publicly invent (or exaggerate) anecdotes about themselves - the Nelson Mandela comparison was clearly invented , the Lion King cast member encounter likewise, the “getting married in the garden” , equally tosh.
“Truth” is not just what we want it to be and saying something often enough or in a podcast does not necessarily make it so.
My feeling -for what it is worth- is that H and M are desperate to remain in the public eye and that their pronouncements are designed to achieve just that. Otherwise, if they truly wanted a “private” existence away from the media, I would be the first to say Good Luck to them.

Don't the previous pages demonstrate that wherever Meghan Markle goes, trouble follows. Her father, her siblings, her first husband, her new in-laws and family, her staff, her 'friends' to name but a few. Her marriage into an ancient and august family, the 'gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name' seen merely as a stepping stone to appearing on a trashy chat show. And laughing all the way to the bank justifies it?

Finally, this gem from today's Telegraph, a quote from the person who interviewed her for The Cut,concerning Meghan's lies about the Lion King visit:

"Of course she knows she's no Mandela. But perhaps even telling me this story is a mode of defense (sic), because if you are a symbol for all that is good and charitable, how can anybody find you objectionable, how can anybody hate you?"

Really?

nanna8

Well it is good to have an American perspective here. We don’t hear a lot about Meghan here in Australia and most wouldn’t care much, anyway. I think in general, however, the view is not too positive but then we only hear what the papers and media choose to tell us. I don’t like the whole idea of the RF, personally, I think they should disappear in a puff of smoke and the French had it right all those years ago. That’s clearly a minority opinion here, though.

I actually don't think the French had it right, or at least how they went about removing the monarchy, it was called the Reign of Terror for a reason.

I agree with Maw above, there is an inbuilt cynicism in Britain, I don't know how many times a person in the public eye can get away with recounting a version of events that doesn't tally with other peoples' view of what was said and happened, especially when those people don't have an axe to grind, which makes the Queen's diplomatic "recollections may vary" observation resonate loud and clear. Too much introspection and dwelling on perceived hardships, whilst living a life of unimaginable luxury in California where so many are camped out on the streets. Not to mention taking private jets for pretty unnecessary recreational pursuits previously having addressed forums on green issues with a "we could all do better" comment!

Of course she knows she's no Mandela. But perhaps even telling me this story is a mode of defense (sic), because if you are a symbol for all that is good and charitable, how can anybody find you objectionable, how can anybody hate you?"

Meghan’s idea of charity certainly differs from mine. I don’t hate her but loyalty and trustworthiness come high on my list of essential ingredients for a symbol of all that is good and charitable.

I don’t see either of these in Meghan.

imaround - I'm another one who welcomes an American perspective - so thank you.

I think part of the problem is that on the whole (massive generalisation) there is a different view of wealth and "status" in America - wealth is not dirty word there and status is "achieved" rather than an accident of birth. Striving for wealth and a "lifestyle" is certainly more commended than it would be in the UK where we are more likely to say someone is "above themself".

I also remember from my time there and subsequent visits that the media doesn't bite the hand that feeds it quite the same as ours do and that "ordinary" people in America are less suspicious of successful people.

Meghan no doubt feels she is a successful woman and as others think she is too, this gives ger a voice. I expect people are interested in what she has to say abd therefore will listen.

Over here we have problems simply with her notion of her own importance. Other than birth royalty, here I think we maybe expect people to acquire sucess slowly by persistently doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Just my thoughts.
And apologies for the liberal smattering of inverted commas I've just noticed.

NotSpaghetti

Your penultimate paragraph sums up what many people think, I’m sure.
But no, she dashed in, ‘hitting the ground running’.

If only she had taken it slowly and eased her way into her new life, things could have been so much better, for everyone concerned.

What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here

I do agree with this but in Meghan’s defence I don’t suppose that would have been easy with Harry heaping his own grievances and petulance on her shoulders. He definitely saw her as a way of getting even with his family, the press and the whole world if necessary.

Instead of a force for good we ended up with two troubled and vengeful individuals who don’t care who they trample on in their quest for whatever it is they’re looking for.

NotSpaghetti

imaround - I'm another one who welcomes an American perspective - so thank you.

I think part of the problem is that on the whole (massive generalisation) there is a different view of wealth and "status" in America - wealth is not dirty word there and status is "achieved" rather than an accident of birth. Striving for wealth and a "lifestyle" is certainly more commended than it would be in the UK where we are more likely to say someone is "above themself".

I also remember from my time there and subsequent visits that the media doesn't bite the hand that feeds it quite the same as ours do and that "ordinary" people in America are less suspicious of successful people.

Meghan no doubt feels she is a successful woman and as others think she is too, this gives ger a voice. I expect people are interested in what she has to say abd therefore will listen.

Over here we have problems simply with her notion of her own importance. Other than birth royalty, here I think we maybe expect people to acquire sucess slowly by persistently doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Just my thoughts.
And apologies for the liberal smattering of inverted commas I've just noticed.

Nice post NotSpaghetti.

Refreshingly balanced and well-reasoned, looking at the bigger picture and doing so without spite and malice.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

IMO it's both relevant and accurate, and I believe Michelle Obama gave wise advice. Though she, too, has had her share of vindictive disapproval, but she seems to have handled the attacks with grace and dignity.

imaround

I did NOT compare her to Michelle Obama. I said IF Michelle Obama said it you would laud it. I know quite a bit about Michelle Obama since, I am an American and well, I can read and I vote. You all really do see only what you want to see don't you.

Money is important when you have a mortgage. So which is it? She and Harry earn their own living or they live off the UK Taxpayer dollar.

Looks like her podcast is going to be #1 again on Spotify this week, so it doesn't really matter if you don't listen Callistmon21. Your loss.

I'm an admirer of Michelle Obama, imaround, as I posted earlier.
We don't have to be American to watch, read and evaluate.

This morning I thought of what she said:
"When they go low, we go high"
Brilliant and succinct.

I'm sorry not to be an admirer of Meghan and it's nothing whatsoever to do with her being American.
But it seems that "when they go low, we go lower" seems to be her motto.

It's Meghan's public behaviour which has made me feel like that, so, sorry, I won't be listening to the podcast even if you think that is my loss. I don't think she has much she can teach me. However, I think she could learn a lot from Michelle Obama.

You're right, there is no comparison.

imaround your comments are very welcome.
You misunderstood my sarcastic post about Meghan not bothering to learn English but that's Ok.
The numerous examples of how she is castigated on these threads for not behaving properly, not adapting, not fitting in, being difficult, show exactly what I was getting at. It's all her fault.
Why any woman in the 21st century should have to live anywhere where she feels she can't be herself I don't understand.
There seems to be some sort of perception on these threads that the RF is somehow a body of people with higher principles and better morals, when anyone could tell you that they are simply better at keeping secrets and suppressing stuff. But there you are they still fool people.
There are some real digs at America and Americans on these threads which should be apologised for. I'll apologise if you found my sarcasm unacceptable.
Perhaps those who have insinuated that the British are more discerning and don''t have instant celebrities (There are a lot of them) could apologise too. The British distaste or perception that something American must be inferior is totally unfounded, but I think it does tie into this criticism of Meghan Markle, as all the things she did prior to her marriage are summarily dismissed. The greatest event of her life being her marriage to a minor royal, something which is supposed to define her for evermore.
She's a black woman earning her own living and trying to raise her children free from the restrictions of the outdated, inbred, family she married into and I think that takes guts.

I'm not sure if this is even 100% relevant to this debate but I think the British public on the whole were originally pleased to see Meghan and thought she was the breath of fresh air. What she should have done was just sit it out for a while as Michelle Obama apparently suggested and then little by little she would have crept into people's hearts and we wouldn't be having these discussions here.

Absolutely, NotSpaghetti

Why any woman in the 21st century should have to live anywhere where she feels she can't be herself I don't understand
Has anyone said that?

I for one always thought Harry wanted an escape route from the constricts of Royal life - that's just fine. Meghan provided one, helping towards the slimmed down Monarchy many of us want.
There are many ways to earn a dollar, too, especially if you both have a cushion of wealth.

I agree with your last post Glorianny. Women have been told to be quiet and dignified for sooooooo long now, we are allowed to be loud and brash and whatever bloody else, even if people don't like us for doing so. Misogyny is alive and well

But she's earning her living using the title she acquired when she married into the outdated, inbred, family and I think it's more to do with stupidity to come out with one lie after another, than guts.

For me and I know I'm not alone, it has nothing to do with her being a mixed race American who is also an actress, it's the public trashing of the family she married and the British people who turned out in their thousands to celebrate her marriage to PH.

There may well have been dancing in the streets too.

That's a very british thing, perhaps?
Lots of celebrating, and building someone up, then knocking them down again.

Or perhaps it's a media thing?

Has she been knocked down? I don't think so. If she's 'fallen from grace' it's her own doing.

I'm not sure it's about being quiet and dignified as such to be honest. It's about finding out how your new job currently functions. Yes, come in with ideas for change but like any job you don't scare the horses on day 1.

I have always been outspoken in my workplace and it's not always been appreciated but mostly by acknowledging what others have done and just being thoughtful around others who maybe have given years of their life to something - you can implement change and you can empower others and ultimately you will be valued for your honesty and sense of what is right.

Regarding Harry and the need to "get out", I honestly thought they might spend a year or two "off the circuit a bit" in Africa where he may have found some peace with himself and the woman he loved.
I think that would have been agreed to by "the Firm" with barely any discussion (no evidence for this obviously). I just don't understand why they chose the route they did.

But theres always someone in the royal family who takes that role. It's a storyline in the soap opera that gets recycled again and again.

Callistemon21 how you can repost notspahettis cmment and then ask "Has anyone said this" I don't know. What else is "sit it out a while" other than saying conform and don't be yourself?

Smileless I'm still using my ex-husbands name and I'm not even married to him. It became and it remains the name I am known as personally and professionally. Just as Meghan's title is hers.
It isn't her fault you and many others fell for the RF publicity stunt aka the Royal Wedding.

I'm married so I am using someone else's name as well then but before that I was using my Dad's so

I didn't fall for anything Glorianny and if the wedding was a publicity stunt she was just as happy to go along with it as the rest of the RF wasn't she.

I don't know what you mean when you say you're still using your ex-huband's name. I assume you mean that that is the name you continue to be known by despite being divorced, and not to make money from.

Smiless 2012 great post. I share your thoughts.