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ginny Thu 08-Sept-22 23:21:28

This weekend thousands of people were due to hike a marathon along the Jurassic path for MacMillan.

It has been cancelled due to todays sad news.

These people have given their time to train and find sponsors.
Many will be out of pocket having paid for transport and accommodation.
Thousands of pounds will now not be raised for people with cancer.

What good does this do anyone ?
Is it what the Queen would have wanted ?
In my opinion , a bad decision by MacMillan.

GraceQuirrel Sat 10-Sept-22 17:14:43

Agree OP, if you decide not to take part that is a personal decision, but why cancel the whole thing?

FannyCornforth Sat 10-Sept-22 17:04:38

Zoejory

Who is enforcing respect?

Thank you for your explanation posted upthread.
You have answered your own question admirably

Zoejory Sat 10-Sept-22 16:57:49

FannyCornforth

Zoejory

Who is enforcing respect?

The decision makers cancelling stuff ‘in the name of respect’ I would have thought

As I've just explained it's not required nor needed. Some may want to. I'm sure the FA had a reason, maybe they will let us know.

Zoejory Sat 10-Sept-22 16:56:31

A quick search will show you some facts about the period of mourning.
The government guidance says: "There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period.

"This is at the discretion of individual organisations.

"As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the state funeral.

"They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations.

"If sporting fixtures or events are planned for the day of the state funeral, organisations may want to adjust the event timings so they do not clash with the timings of the funeral service and associated processions.*

As a mark of respect, and in keeping with the tone of National Mourning, organisers may wish to hold a period of silence and/or play the National Anthem at the start of events or sporting fixtures, and players may wish to wear black armbands."

So this is nothing to do with the RF or the Government. Nobody has to behave as if they're in mourning.

However I"m sure most people will take the Bank Holiday off, if able, along with the schools. And I see the train strikes for mid-September have been called off.

This is not some weird enforcement of anything!

FannyCornforth Sat 10-Sept-22 16:50:56

Zoejory

Who is enforcing respect?

The decision makers cancelling stuff ‘in the name of respect’ I would have thought

Zoejory Sat 10-Sept-22 16:43:43

Who is enforcing respect?

FannyCornforth Sat 10-Sept-22 16:24:45

I thought that too NotAGran
It doesn’t exactly impact on anyone’s life if it’s happening.
Football is huge part of some people’s lives.
It’s not even as if it’s on terrestrial TV

NotAGran55 Sat 10-Sept-22 16:14:37

4allweknow

One fabulous cancellation - football!
Not sure about tge thousands on the Jurassic path. Had I sponsored anyone I would just give my donation had tgey walked the trail. Not sure about the loss of accommodation/travel costs. May be entitled to refunds or credits at least.

Why is it fabulous 4allweknow?

Coco51 Sat 10-Sept-22 16:09:32

Hithere

There is a bunch of hypocrisy with this subject in general

The country and the world mourns the life of a privileged person who passed away at 96, who had opportunities that other mortals cannot think of and no real useful role in society
but
The loss and disruption of lives in wars, such like Ukraine, has 0 impact

Remember the Queen also did war service for her country. Actually I’d doubt anyone would have given themselves so selflessly. The Royal family bring £5mil + in tourist revenue. Following his predecessors King Charles III pledged income from the Crown Lands to the country in exchange for the Sovreign Grant. It was and is a pledge that leaves the royal family much worse off than they would otherwise be.

Hithere Sat 10-Sept-22 16:02:50

It is not a matter of respect to a person who passed away

Everybody has to respect that people do not feel they have to mourn or be bereft for her death

Babybelle Sat 10-Sept-22 15:59:09

I completely agree with you,it seems like a very odd decision!

Galaxy Sat 10-Sept-22 15:55:45

You cant enforce respect that's the problem. People react against that I am afraid.

Coco51 Sat 10-Sept-22 15:47:03

Esspee

I have always thought sponsored walks, runs etc. completely pointless. (Apart from raising money for worthwhile causes)
Wouldn't something like beach cleanups, sprucing up deprived neighbourhoods etc. be much more worthwhile?

Excellent idea Esspee.
Surely the Queen deserves respect and a little sacrifice for this period - the first in 70 years which saw her working the day before she died. These events will come round again.

4allweknow Sat 10-Sept-22 15:42:40

One fabulous cancellation - football!
Not sure about tge thousands on the Jurassic path. Had I sponsored anyone I would just give my donation had tgey walked the trail. Not sure about the loss of accommodation/travel costs. May be entitled to refunds or credits at least.

Oldnproud Sat 10-Sept-22 15:38:02

Boz

The sky won't fall in just because a few events are cancelled for 10 days.
The Last Night of the Proma is a jolly loud event which is not recognised as appropriate during a period of National Mourning.
It is a case of Respect with a capital R.

There is no way that the majority of events can be re-arranged this year, let alone in ten days time.
Bookings of venues, caterers, etc. have to be made way in advance.
Performers / participants, competitors, vendors etc can't all suddenly be available again at the drop of a hat, so all the effort and expense already incurred by many thousands of people is now totally wasted or lost.
How about a bit of Respect and sympathy for them?
After all, anyone who wants to mourn can still do that.

Think of the effect on our beleaguered economy too of all these cancelled events!

sylla12 Sat 10-Sept-22 15:35:57

The Queen would not have approved I am sure ! She would have said "Carry on" and carry on in my memory ... Have Nurses cancelled ? Care workers ? Firefighters? Dustbin men/women ? NO ! Thought not ! Have McMillan Nurses cancelled even ! The Big Anti Brexit March was to be today that is cancelled , but that is a different matter and showing respect as it would have caused chaos in London with what is going on today with King Charles 111...

buffyfly9 Sat 10-Sept-22 15:27:25

I am not a monarchist but I respected the Queen for her dignity and long service to this country. I shall watch the state funeral out of respect and because no country does these occasions as well as we do.
However, I think to cancel events, no postal deliveries, etc is ridiculous. It is another day when this country will grind to a halt and our political situation is bad enough as it is, parliament has been paralysed for weeks and now there is ten days of " mourning"' We can all mourn in our own way, I didn't know the Queen so although I respected her position I am most certainly not grieving. There are other awful things happening in the world that should have our attention. They should make her funeral on a Sunday, people would have time to get to London if they so wished and another working day would not be lost due to another Bank Holiday. In case anyone hadn't noticed the UK is in dire financial straits!!!!

nadateturbe Sat 10-Sept-22 15:26:07

Soozikinzi

They do seem to have gone overboard . On radio two it's only sad music and no chat . Will it be like this for two weeks ? I think the suicide rate will go up if this carries on .

For many people who are lonely/housebound the radio is important.
I sincerely hope this no chat(unless it's related to the Queen) no cheerfulness does not go on too long.

Callistemon21 Sat 10-Sept-22 15:12:31

There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. This is at the discretion of individual organisations. As a mark of respect, organisations might wish to consider cancelling or postponing events or closing venues on the day of the State Funeral. They are under no obligation to do so and this is entirely at the discretion of individual organisations

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance/the-demise-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-national-mourning-guidance

Flags are at half mast. Church doors are open so those who wish to go in and pray or just reflect can do so.
If organisers want to have a minute's silence before an event as a mark of respect and time for private thoughts they can.

MaggsMcG Sat 10-Sept-22 15:04:19

I wonder why and how these decisions are made. Why some are cancelled and some not. I also wonder if cancelling some events has not been a sort of excuse for the organisers to not bother. My local Youth Drama Company thought hard about the whole situation all through Thursday and made the decision that all the hard work and potential financial situation was worth performing anyway. They had a round of applause before the performance as the nature of the show did not lend itself to a minutes silence.

Galaxy Sat 10-Sept-22 15:02:04

Yes but I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with it perhaps all traditions arent good ones.

Zoejory Sat 10-Sept-22 15:00:42

I suspect it's a case of complete misjudgement by some members of the public! Do you not underrated what a country going into mourning means? We're not all expected to be wailing in corners whilst clad in black, you know

Of course life goes on as normal. We're off to a PhD Graduation party this evening. Life is going on.

The country is in mourning It's tradition. That's all. Many countries do it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_days_of_mourning_(2000–2019)

Callistemon21 Sat 10-Sept-22 14:49:16

Nannan2

I believe that H.M. the Queen would have been of the 'keep calm & carry on' brigade

I agree.

We can carry on in a calm and dignified way without too much jollity, surely?

Galaxy Sat 10-Sept-22 14:46:52

I suspect it's a case of a complete misjudgment of the public mood. I have just come from a very large shopping centre. It was like Christmas times a thousand. Queues outside every restaurant, very buzzy. Theres is something in the British population that doesnt like enforced anything including mourning.

cc Sat 10-Sept-22 14:44:46

There was to have been a river race on the Thames today and locally there is RNLI fundraising associated with it, a BBQ, raffle etc. They've turned it into some sort of commemorative parade which seems a bit pointless and there is a lot of food going into the organisers freezers.