COVID booster

That's nice.

Yet you think citing a non-vaccine scandal from 60 years ago supports your view.

How much time have you spent analysing all the available data and studies? More than the FDA and all the European bodies?

For a start I am not " scientifically" illiterate and certainly do not "research" on the internet. My DH is a microbiologist of 35 years specialising in Legionnaires disease and I am well informed and well read in most of the peer reviewed studies on the subject. I also know that Pharmaceutical companies are only driven by profit and are not adverse to manipulating data and concealing unpalatable findings in order to maximise that profit. The thalidomide scandal is only one of many examples.
There is huge trust by some that their government, led by the pharmaceutical industry would never do anything to harm them but history proves that faith to be unfounded. When I say do your own research, I mean just that, proper analysis of all available data and studies, not searching the internet for unsupported opinions that match your own.
In doing that, I have concluded that because we simply don't have the required long -term data available to us, we can only do what feels right for us and no one, certainly not other posters can tell us whether it is right or wrong.

I agree with you Whiff.

volver I am with you have it or not. But if you don't have the vaccine don't come moaning if you catch Covid .

Personally I have any vaccine they are willing to give me. I don't care if I get side effects. You can get side effects from any form of drug.

Where would we be if there weren't vaccines against smallpox,polio,TB measles,chicken pox etc. Was this much fuss made when the flu jab was first introduced?

I had the Moderna vax yesterday. Easiest jab I have ever had and the only after effect is slight stiffness in that arm which is to be expected. As I'm juggling 9 different illnesses, I had cleared my diary in case I needed bed-rest, but no. Pleased to be set up for the autumn, and having the 'flu vax next week.

Oh not this again. It's been a few months, but here we are again.

I'm sorry, I personally have no time for anyone who is so scientifically illiterate that they think the acceptance of the covid vaccines in use in this country is based on faith, and anyone who says "do your own research" just makes any of their other arguments null. Reading stuff off the internet isn't "research".

Have it or don't have it, it's up to you.

Like Retread, my OH and I both had the Moderna vaccine on Monday am. No side effects at all, just slight soreness at injection site same as with any vaccination. I was most grateful to the doctor giving the vaccination and the pharmacy staff for working on the day of the funeral when most people were off work.
To suggest that any drug is given without testing on humans is beyond comprehension- really! There are stringent procedures for all drug testing before anything is administered to the general public.

The point is that no one can state that these vaccines are safe or not safe, we quite simply do not know and will not know for at least the next 10 years. The adverse reactions systems in every country are deeply flawed and at best with estimates of less than 10% of effects recorded. The massive numbers of excess deaths in every heavily vaccinated country is worrying. Is it down to the vaccine or is it down to the fact that heavily vaccinated countries also had the strictest lockdowns, who knows? The simple truth is that it comes down to faith. Faith in your governments, faith in the media and faith in the pharmaceutical companies. That is why it is such a personal decision, do your own research and base your decision on your own benefit analysis and needs. We just need to stop insulting, humiliating and browbeating others to make the same decision as we have, whether that is to vaccinate or not.

I had the Moderna booster on Monday (yes NHS staff worked that day - there was a TV in the reception area). No side effects whatsoever, not even a sore arm.

Am grateful for the protection, I've escaped Covid so far.

Normandygirl

Lathyrus

Oh America.

All the Covid vaccines in the Uk have been subject to human trials. Important to make it clear which country you’re teferring to, don’t you think.

Results and statistics freely available on UK Government websites.

"All the Covid vaccines in the Uk have been subject to human trials."

Do you seriously think that the UK is getting different vaccines to the rest of the world?
The approval for the bivalent vaccines were given based only on trials on mice, not humans.

www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/qa-spikevax-covid-19-vaccine-mrna

This is the FDA report on Spikevax, including the details of and results from the human trials. Humans, not mice.

Please stop scaremongering with inaccurate information.

I haven't had covid yet, that I'm aware of, and would sooner take the risks of the vaccine than risk catching covid unvaxinated. So far I've only had mild side effects. Last week's Moderna booster was worst than previous (2 astra zenica and 1 phizer) feeling tired for a few days and the injection site is still sore.

Lathyrus

Oh America.

All the Covid vaccines in the Uk have been subject to human trials. Important to make it clear which country you’re teferring to, don’t you think.

Results and statistics freely available on UK Government websites.

"All the Covid vaccines in the Uk have been subject to human trials."

Do you seriously think that the UK is getting different vaccines to the rest of the world?
The approval for the bivalent vaccines were given based only on trials on mice, not humans.

Normandygirl

Biscuitmuncher

Normandygirl at last someone with a different point of view

It find it quite strange that so many are celebrating being given the new bivalent boosters that they know have not been tested on any humans. Their faith in the pharmaceutical industry despite their history is remarkable.

www.ft.com/content/92d52780-14c8-49a0-937b-a7722363254f

The FT article is behind a paywall. Not date, no details, just the headline. Were going to need more to go on than that.

Incidentally, I recorded an adverse effect after my first vaccination. My INR jumped for a day (I measurable it myself, at home.). Same thing happens if I eat too many chick peas. In fact, maybe I just ate too many chick peas the day I was vaccinated. All those million and a quarter reports shouldn't be seen as severe health impacts.

Oh America.

All the Covid vaccines in the Uk have been subject to human trials. Important to make it clear which country you’re teferring to, don’t you think.

Results and statistics freely available on UK Government websites.

Sorry to keep on. ?. I think more people will find they have side-effects this time round as the boosters are mainly Moderna. Those of us working with the vaccine programme found that anecdotally, more patients who had Moderna experienced known side-effects than those that had the Pfizer vaccine.

Biscuitmuncher

Normandygirl at last someone with a different point of view

It find it quite strange that so many are celebrating being given the new bivalent boosters that they know have not been tested on any humans. Their faith in the pharmaceutical industry despite their history is remarkable.

www.ft.com/content/92d52780-14c8-49a0-937b-a7722363254f

DH & I had the Moderna booster on Sunday eve.
Me - Slept very badly. Husband slept ok.
Monday - Me -very hot sore arm, low level headache, tired, fluey, arthritis sore.
Husband - no side effects at all!
Tuesday-me, still feeling washed out & unwell.
Husband- still fine

Hoping tomorrow I’ll feel better!

Would still advise having the boosters as a protection we all need.
Flu jabs on Sat

annsixty

I’m not blaming anything.
She tested positive too soon to have picked it up at the party.
Did she already have it when vaccinated or could it possibly be a rare occasion when the vaccine gave her Covid?

The vaccine can’t give you Covid as it doesn’t contain the virus.

annsixty

My friend and I had our booster last Thursday with no ill effects at all.
On Saturday we were at a birthday party with 60 others.
Yesterday she tested positive for Covid.
Coincidence or what?

She won’t have acquired any immunity yet from her booster. We tell patients it takes about two weeks.

Farzanah

Please supply accredited links to your information Normandygirl.

All available on the EMA website.

Normandygirl at last someone with a different point of view

Can I ask if you had Phizer or Modera? I have been invited and rang the Pharmacist for advice,
I was told by the Pharmacist to have Moderna as it it fights Omicron better. I have had 2 Phizer jabs and the same for the booster. I wanted the Phizer again but I am now undecided.
I need to make a appointment this week.

As of August 22 there were less than 20 cases of serious concern (blood clotting/transverse myelitis) and 1 fatality (Gov website)

The other cases of concern reported included swelling to the vaccine site, fatigue, headache and other temporary discomfort)

7.9 million doses of moderne had been given.

Please supply accredited links to your information Normandygirl.

Hi Wedi. The advice is given in Section 3: how you will be given Spikevax. It will be given to you as 2 injections
“It is recommended to administer the second dose of the same vaccine 28 days after the first dose to complete the vaccination course.””