Anyone still thinking of voting tory at the next General Election?

kittylester : "arrogant rudeness abounds". I assume you're referring to Truss, as I can't find any on this thread. Just opinions..

There's something I definitely don't understand.

We've had a government in power for 12 years who have completely undermined the welfare state, made us all poorer and in the last 10 days alone have completely trashed our economy and thrown even more people on the scrap heap.

But people still say they will vote for them because the other side hate us and might stop my children getting on the housing ladder.

the Conservatives, the party of freedom and independence?

No - the Conservatives, the party of poverty and misery. What blinkers.

Labour and the left hate ‘the rich’. But we are all ‘the rich’ to them.

No, they don't, and no, we aren't. Partly because "the left" are not a homogenous group, in the same way that Conservatives aren't.

What the left mostly "hate" is the greed of those who suck money out of the economy and avoid paying their taxes.

The-left-hate-the-rich is right-wing hype. It is meant to encourage the 'politics-of-envy' narrative. It is bollix.

Dickens

^Labour and the left hate ‘the rich’. But we are all ‘the rich’ to them.^

No, they don't, and no, we aren't. Partly because "the left" are not a homogenous group, in the same way that Conservatives aren't.

What the left mostly "hate" is the greed of those who suck money out of the economy and avoid paying their taxes.

The-left-hate-the-rich is right-wing hype. It is meant to encourage the 'politics-of-envy' narrative. It is bollix.

Yes

Recent evidence might suggest that this version of the Conservatives have little regard for the poor and that anyone who isn't them or their friends/donors is considered 'the poor' by them.

Ah well, immoral policy now dead - but just shows you what this government is capable of and how easily conned its supporters are into defending the indefensible.

And those that think 'trickle down' economics works................this can't be the party for you now ?‍♀️

StoneofDestiny

Ah well, immoral policy now dead - but just shows you what this government is capable of and how easily conned its supporters are into defending the indefensible.

I think you're in Scotland StoneofDestiny? I wonder if, like me, you are waiting for Douglas Ross's take on this? After him and the other Tories all haranguing the government about not replicating the tax changes north of the border?

I am still waiting on his take on Tuss saying she will ignore the democratically elected leader of Scotland. Like her or not, she is the choi e of the Scottish people, unlike Truss (or any other Tory for that matter).

Two things on Radio 4 today - 1) an interview with the multi millionaire Mr Mullins who sold his Pimlico Plumbers' company for £145 million. Asked what he planned to do with his tax windfall after the Tory announcement - "possibly buy another Bentley, that would benefit the car industry"

Meanwhile being able to shop for supermarket essentials, to get the mortgage on the house you need to live in and to furnish it won't help the economy?

2) A delegate going into the Tory Conference when asked about the U-Turn = "You should always stick with the policy you announced, regardless"

Sounded like the thinking that brought about the slaughter at The Somme.

StoneofDestiny

I am still waiting on his take on Tuss saying she will ignore the democratically elected leader of Scotland. Like her or not, she is the choi e of the Scottish people, unlike Truss (or any other Tory for that matter).

Aw, bless his cotton socks.. ?

twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1576904412760604673

Corbyn gave Johnson his huge majority and Truss will give Starmer his victory.

She’ll be long gone.

Labour and the Lib Dem’s both favour asset taxes, specifically a mansion tax. If you own a property worth £500,000 and it’s taxed at one per cent you’d pay five grand a year. There’s nothing to say it would only be one per cent.
Lilyflower Sat 01-Oct-22 22:46:16

You would have to explain what you, personally, mean by 'asset taxes' for anyone to comment on that generalisation.

Neither Labour nor the Lib Dems favour mansion tax. The subject was raised, looked at, and dismissed.

Yes, Labour favours the reassessment and revaluation of the Council Tax System. Why don't you? It is long overdue. The IFS are in favour too.

Why go to the extreme of talking about "hatred"? You are putting Labour in a box and stigmatising those who are part of it with very dubious comments - what would you call that?

Germanshepherdsmum

She’ll be long gone.

Do you mean Lilyflower GSM?

Or Truss?

Truss!

volver

There's something I definitely don't understand.

We've had a government in power for 12 years who have completely undermined the welfare state, made us all poorer and in the last 10 days alone have completely trashed our economy and thrown even more people on the scrap heap.

But people still say they will vote for them because the other side hate us and might stop my children getting on the housing ladder.

the Conservatives, the party of freedom and independence?

No - the Conservatives, the party of poverty and misery. What blinkers.

It's not about understanding though, is it. It's about accepting that this is what they believe. You can argue, but if your fundamental premise is not their fundamental premise, and you argue from yours you will not change people's minds.

I think that is why you get so frustrated with people.

I can understand or not understand what I like and my Buddhist credentials are a bit lacking right now, so my acceptance levels are pretty low.

Believe what you like, but if something is factually wrong, expect to be told so.

Why do you always think I want to change people's minds? I want to understand what motivates people because that's how my mind works. If you don't like that, too bad.

Always angry "volver". You never stop to think someone might be telling you what motivates them - which you angrily reject.

I was trying to help but you still come back in anger.

Do not underestimate the power of the right-wing press.

Far too many susceptible voters read The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Times and The Daily Express. - all owned and controlled by billionaires who are either foreigners or tax dodgers or both.

That's why I think we will hear nothing of PR from Starmer, Varian. The right-wing press would poison the idea.

DaisyAnne

Always angry "volver". You never stop to think someone might be telling you what motivates them - which you angrily reject.

I was trying to help but you still come back in anger.

Leave me alone.

Its getting weird.

Volver, I haven't been on GN all day. What is weird about replying to one of the most recent posts, for heaven's sake?

Research has shown that the more you argue with people to try and change their mind, the more tightly they stick with their original opinion.
research.com/education/why-facts-dont-change-our-mind