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Anyone still thinking of voting tory at the next General Election?

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MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 16:14:37

Just that, really.

I'm curious to know if crashing the economy has influenced anyone's thinking...

Lucca Fri 30-Sept-22 17:18:30

janipans

I think all parties should be banned from commenting on the others ideas and policies. Too much time is spent bitching at each other instead of pushing forward and getting things done! No wonder the country is in such a mess! Why can't they understand that the other party might have some ideas worthy of taking forward and work together.
Ideally, I'd like to abandon Party politics and for the people who win localised elections to sit around a table in Parliament and make the decisions as to how our country is run. They can spend the campaigning money on employing experts to assist them where needed (eg doctors to assist with NHS matters and teachers to assist with education matters - why do politicians think they are better placed than the people at the rock face to make decisions about industries that thye have no practical knowledge of? But mostly, they should all stop bitching and learn to work together for the common good.

They should have had an all party “committee”? (Sorry my vocabulary seems to be deserting me) to deal with Covid for a start.

Grannytwoshoes Fri 30-Sept-22 17:44:45

Better the devil you know they say! I wasn't that impressed with Boris and these two do not exactly fill me with confidence….. its not exactly rocket science to promote policies that will help nurses…free travel ….parking … help with accommodation etc. and stop foreigners buying up our properties and leaving them empty . We need housing! Not to mention allowing people in who are trained and can offer something to this country! It would help if peoples criminal records were checked before they are allowed in too!!

GagaJo Fri 30-Sept-22 17:53:07

StoneofDestiny

I have never voted Tory, never would. I'm probably part of their target audience - well off and comfortable, but no - I have a moral compass and a conscience. I do not believe their should be nonsense like 'trickle down wealth'. That translates as 'crumbs off a rich man's table' (or 'persons' table if you prefer).

I want a thriving NHS and thriving Public Services from e.g. education, police, prison officers, carers etc. these are the areas where their are staff - this is where incentives need to be directed, not to the bankers, where there is no shortage at all.

Much better we think with our moral conscience engaged rather than with our wallets in mind.

Couldn't agree more.

I still remember a GN member (not on here anymore), saying about Corbyn, 'He's not putting his hand in my pocket.'

I just remember thinking how selfish a thing to say it was. Only concerned with their own personal situation / wealth.

chatterbox2 Fri 30-Sept-22 17:54:06

Yes of course I can't believe Labour could do anything better under the circumstances

chatterbox2 Fri 30-Sept-22 17:59:02

Definitely

chatterbox2 Fri 30-Sept-22 18:02:12

Me too

NannyKiwi1 Fri 30-Sept-22 18:06:20

This bad time is happening all over the world.It’s just very bad timing that everyone wanted Boris out and we are having to be led by a lady that will I think grow confidence in time. She has taken over at a horrid time. I will vote Conservative.

Lizzie44 Fri 30-Sept-22 18:23:28

I have never voted Conservative and never would. I want a government that values public services and ensures that they are well-funded and protected. Instead we have had years of austerity. Surely any government should be able to understand that the NHS, a sound education system, decent housing etc are key to a healthy nation both physically and mentally. Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss... it just gets worse. Please can we have some common sense and compassion before it is too late, before the coming winter drives many into extreme poverty and desperation that could impact on all of us.

undines Fri 30-Sept-22 18:30:28

I feel sad to the point of desperation to hear ANYONE would even consider voting Tory now. I have voted Tory in the past (long time ago!) but just how bad does it have to get before the die hards say 'no more'? What really gets to me is the complete lack of care for those on low income and benefit. They are hardly getting a mention. I do not understand this in our 'civilised' country. Even some of the police are going to food banks. Please - this HAS to stop. And it will only stop through VOTING.

rosie1959 Fri 30-Sept-22 18:33:35

Depends what the situation is when we actually come to a general election and who is standing in our constituency.
I will be watching what Labour has to offer and what is on their manifesto.

varian Fri 30-Sept-22 18:37:30

NannyKiwi1

This bad time is happening all over the world.It’s just very bad timing that everyone wanted Boris out and we are having to be led by a lady that will I think grow confidence in time. She has taken over at a horrid time. I will vote Conservative.

Why ?????

Doodledog Fri 30-Sept-22 18:39:11

Well said Lizzie44.

I am proud to say that I have never voted Conservative, and can't imagine a time when I ever will. Luckily, I have brought my children up with enough care for others to give me a good talking to if I ever start to consider it.

Allsorts Fri 30-Sept-22 18:39:20

Wouldn’t and couldn't vote Labour, but happily get rid of Truss and KK, I thought their budget immoral and abhorrent. Very disillusioned with them but not as much as the other lot. Hope that answers it Maisie.

M0nica Fri 30-Sept-22 18:46:16

I have never voted for either of the main parties and, as things stand, I do not think I ever will.

volver Fri 30-Sept-22 18:54:48

Before anyone jumps on me, I acknowledge that anyone can vote as they wish, but there are two things I will never understand.

Firstly, those who say it’s happening all over the world and that it’s got nothing to do with the government. There is most definitely a worldwide economic crisis but we should expect our government to steer us through it. Instead they are making it worse in this country.

Second, those who say they would still rather have today’s Conservatives rather than Labour. How can you possibly think that Labour will be worse than this? How bad does it have to get? Sell off the NHS? Cut pensions? Get rid of the Welfare State? Or do you just think that’s OK and that’s what we should be doing anyway?

I can understand people saying we need to wait to see where we are in 2 years time – if they last that long – because I don’t think this gang are real Conservatives at all. They are something else entirely, something far scarier, and I would expect real Conservatives to want shot of them as much as I do.

spabbygirl Fri 30-Sept-22 18:57:38

If you like paying privately for health care then vote tory, cos thats what this lot are doing, running down the NHS and making it appear dysfunctional so they can close it down or restrict it so they only provide a few services and we have to go private.
I also want a benefits system, I've had to use it when I was a younger single mum but don't need it now but I'm perfectly happy to pay for others to use it. I don't believe claimants are lazy cos so many do work.
I'm in a Tory safe seat and want to vote Labour, I don't care who they put in charge cos they're all in favour of NHS etc. I might possibly vote LibDem to get the tories out, this current gov't are fleecing the treasury and the sooner they're out the better

LauraNorderr Fri 30-Sept-22 19:30:27

As a member of the Conservative party I considered voting for Larry the cat but instead I listened to the two candidates at all of the hustings. Sunak offered more of the same, why would we want that after years of stagnation. Truss offered something different so I gave her my vote.
I like the budget, times are hard throughout the world, economies are in a state of shock throughout. New measures are required. Big, bold, brave.
The scrapping of the 45% tax will tell the entrepreneurs, the creators, the innovators, the inventors, the worlds creme de la creme that we are open for business. We want them to create our wealth and we will reward them. Surely it’s better to have 100 millionaires paying 40% than 10 paying 45%.
It’s naive to call it trickle down economics, it isn’t. A wealthy country can better help the less fortunate. The politics of envy promoted by the Labour Party creates division and resentment.
Those wealthy people will spend, will employ, will invest. Their money doesn’t sit in neat little boxes in a bank vault, if they save it there then the banks invest it, we all gain.
The policy of not increasing benefits for those who can work is to encourage self sufficiency which leads to self respect and helps fight depression and other mental health issues. These people then pay tax and help to create the wealth that pays for those who can not work through severe disability or the need to care for others.
Labours National energy scheme sounds fabulous on paper, we all own our energy and become world leaders. No way will those clever top innovators, inventors, researchers work in the public sector. They’ll be snapped up by private industry all over the world. We need to encourage them to work here, we need to reward their effort with no ceiling to earnings. We need to stimulate growth by backing business to the hilt. The rich getting richer doesn’t mean the poor get poorer. A wealthy nation can offer so much more for everyone.
We are doing down our country and shaking confidence with this mass hysteria over the budget just as we have done over leaving the EU since 2016.
Those who bothered to vote in the referendum decided we wanted to leave. Our voice was clear and our negotiating position was strong. Sadly the vociferous and somewhat aggressive remainers in the civil service, the Houses of Parliament, the media spent years talking down our country, telling the EU and the rest of the world that we’d made a massive mistake and letting Theresa May lead a weak and half hearted negotiation. This left us in a much damaged position by the time Boris Johnson won his huge majority in 2019. The media et al never forgave the Conservatives for taking us out of the EU and continued to chisel away at Boris Johnson until his position became untenable. Yes, he made mistakes but no more than many before him. He was not given credit for the many good things his government achieved.
Here we are now with Liz Truss and a brave bold change of direction that is being undermined at every turn by grey suited sheep following the herd and afraid of change and of risk.
As for levelling up, it doesn’t mean equality. There will never be equality, some people are always faster, brighter, more creative. The abolition of so many grammar schools is proof that if we try to create a state of equality we penalise the brightest and end with a state of mediocrity.
I vote Conservative because I believe in aspiration, independence, self reliance, self respect. None of the latter make me unaware of those in need, those less fortunate and none strips me of a social conscience.
Sorry if my post is disjointed but you did ask.

volver Fri 30-Sept-22 19:33:41

I'm gobsmacked.

varian Fri 30-Sept-22 19:42:56

Thank you lauranorder for attempting to defend the indefensible. I do wonder whether you have even convinced yourself.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 30-Sept-22 19:49:17

So the crash of sterling, the decimation of pension funds, the carnage in the mortgage market and the need for BoE intervention aren’t down to Truss and Kwarteng but to ‘grey suited sheep following the herd’? Pull the other one Laura. T and K lack the intelligence to understand the importance and influence of the ‘grey suited sheep’. They ignored the warnings of those who knew more than them. And you call that bold - I call it stupid and arrogant.

StoneofDestiny Fri 30-Sept-22 19:49:59

these are the areas where their are staff

I mean - these are the areas where there are staff shortages

(Walking and typing isn't a good idea!)

MaizieD Fri 30-Sept-22 19:54:52

volver

I'm gobsmacked.

Me too ?

But I said I would keep quiet...

Anrol Fri 30-Sept-22 20:00:54

Kwasi Kwarteng is our local MP…… imo he is an extremely absent local MP. His own on line page treats his constituents with rudeness and contempt and as he’s shown as Chancellor done the same to a huge portion of the population.
In a GE I’ve no idea who I will vote for. Let’s hope there is a decent person on my ballot paper.

StoneofDestiny Fri 30-Sept-22 20:06:18

I vote Conservative because I believe in aspiration, independence, self reliance, self respect. None of the latter make me unaware of those in need, those less fortunate and none strips me of a social conscience

Unbelievable.
How will this/has this Tory Governments actions help those aspiring to own their first home, to having a job with prospects and a decent and realistic living wage. How has it/will it help the homeless and those unable to work because of chronic disability. How will people dignity be respected if they have to go to food banks?
The behaviour of this government (Johnson's and Truss's) is unconscionable. The rich are well taken care of, and will always be able to buy their way passed the NHS queue, the sink school, the rough neighbourhood and the rise in energy costs.

Trickle down doesn't work - big bonuses buy those receiving them bigger homes, bigger cars, better holidays. You do remember the YUPPIES - sudden increased wealth went on Porches and second homes. It doesn't mean more investment or job creation. In fact, given the concern industry has over Truss's government, the extra money will most likely get tucked away 'just in case' for example that another shock budget might pop up.

Being aware of those in need does not demonstrate you have a conscience. Awareness costs nothing and helps nobody.

volver Fri 30-Sept-22 20:10:36

Believe in aspiration...?

Liz Truss accused Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer of failing to “understand aspiration”. The son of a toolmaker and a nurse who went to Oxford, became DPP and leader of a national political party.

The woman's deluded. She's not the only one.