So now we know why the Queen died

Aussiegrandma01

Elizabeth died of a broken heart, she held on for as long as she could and fulfilled her duties, 70th jubilee.

How do you know she died of a broken heart? Sorry but that’s sentimental nonsense.

Those of you who know my posts will know that I'm about as far from a monarchist as you can get. And threads like this just make me more convinced than ever.

First there's prurient speculation about bone cancer and strokes.

Then there is sentimental talk of deep declines and broken hearts as though she was a Disney Princess.

It's not the republicans who have no respect, it's you lot.

Elizabeth died of a broken heart, she held on for as long as she could and fulfilled her duties, 70th jubilee.

Germanshepherdsmum

*GrammyGrammy*’s post is disgraceful.

Oh probably the sort of person who sweeps through others lives “doing good” making them thoroughly miserable and wallowing in her own righteousness.

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My mother's death certificate said old age. She was 98. Everything was worn out. What more was there to say?

GrammyGrammy’s post is disgraceful.

My father had ‘Frailty of age’ on his death certificate. He was 96 and had stage 4 kidney disease.
I did ask the nurse the night before he died how many stages there are to kidney disease and she said 3! I was just glad it was a very peaceful death and I was with him when he died.

GrammyGrammy

Witzend

I know of two women in their 90s who hadn’t been at all ill, who just died in their sleep, so I dare say those were cases of ‘old age’.
A brilliant way to go, IMO, albeit a nasty shock for the relatives who wondered why they weren’t answering the phone/door, and found them.

Pittcity, my mother died at 97, with advanced dementia. IIRC the death certificate said Alz./old age.

I think 'a nasty shock' for relatives who leave parents living alone in their nineties is well deserved wages of their neglect. And the smell of their decomposition will hopefully be stronger in their nostrils forevermore for every single day they left them living so vulnerably alone. People die of neglect. No one old and vulnerable who has family should live entirely alone. Cue the self-righteous selfish abandoners...

FGS, these were both women who had chosen to live independently, who lived very close to daughters who phoned or looked in every day, and helped whenever needed. Both had been seen or spoken to, and had been quite well, the day before.

There was no neglect! So please don’t make unfounded assumptions.

I might add that plenty of older people have no wish to move in with family, however well they may get on with them. Independence is often fiercely prized in older age.

Calendargirl

^Her Majesty went into deep decline when her darling Philip passed away^

Not true. You make her sound like Queen Victoria. Although very sad I’m sure, the Queen still ‘carried on carrying on’, with or without Philip by her side. She was ageing and getting frailer, at 95 what else really.

‘Stoic’ is the word that sums her up, and the same word applies to her daughter.

I don’t actually agree with that. I thought she coped fine !

Re the queens cause of death….. my mother had no cancer or anything and at age 95 she was fine one day , felt ill enough to go to hospital that night.
Family summoned in the morning . Mum sitting up having cup of tea, but died that afternoon.

volver

I understand that outgoing Prime Ministers have to see the monarch to resign and incoming ones have to see the monarch to be formally asked to form a government.

If you (general) want to have a 96 year old monarch who is still head of state, then these are the thing that they have to do. Nobody asked for it or any such thing. Comes with the job.

ITA. Logic wins.

Well said, icanhandthemback, re Grammy Grammy. Troll, or just bitter and twisted, do you think?

Well said, Volver. Appalling, judgemental, totally unsubstantiated and hurtful comment from a position of total ignorance as regards the circumstances.

I understand that outgoing Prime Ministers have to see the monarch to resign and incoming ones have to see the monarch to be formally asked to form a government.

If you (general) want to have a 96 year old monarch who is still head of state, then these are the thing that they have to do. Nobody asked for it or any such thing. Comes with the job.

My 92 year old mother’s death certificate said old age, she wasn’t really ill just didn’t wake up one morning

GoldenAge I believe the meeting with Boris Johnson was because Her Majesty asked for it. I wonder what she said to him? Perhaps she had been storing up her opinion and wanted this last chance to have her say!

Hope this isn't the start of another conspiracy theory. Bad enough that the Royal Family have to mourn publicly, they should all be left in peace now. God rest her soul. Many thanks for your service Ma'am and God Save the King.

Can’t we just let the woman rest in peace? I don’t think it’s any of our business, she was 96 and frail as has been pointed out, there’s nothing to be suspicious about. Enough is enough surely, let the dead rest and worry about the living.

GranGlo

My MIL died at 103 and GP put 'old age' but was told that was not acceptable and had to change it. We were amazed. I can't remember what the GP changed it to. This was about five years ago.

Do you live in England or in Scotland?

The two countries have different laws, you know.

Judging by the comments on this page many of you have not taken into account that that might well explain the wording of the death certificate.

I think you are all making a mystery where none exists.

The medical practioner who fills in the particulars on a death certificate is obliged to state the immediate cause of death and may if he deems it necessary name other medical conditions the deceased had.

Old age may seem a vague term, but it is not more vague than "cardiac arrest" or "respiratory failure" after all.

No registrar I have ever heard of would accept a death certificate if he (she) felt that the details were odd.

If anything looked odd, normal practice anywhere in Scotland would be to refuse to register the death until the medical practioner had been contacted and had clarified the details. If a satisfactory answer was not obtained (satisfactory to the registrar, that is) the matter would be referred to the procurator fiscal of the area, who would look into it and decide whether

a) the death could be registered allowing funeral arrangements to start,
b) a post-mortem was called for,
c) the death should be regarded as suspicious and referred by the fiscal to the police.
d) In that case the police surgeon would then view the body and if not satisfied that the death was due to natural causes and consistent with the wording of the death certificate, a hearing would be scheduled the following morning in the local Sherrif court

I think we can take it as read that when the deceased was Her Majesty the Queen both the local registrar and the procurator fiscal were on their toes and that neither would have hestitated to inform Princess Anne, who I gather registered the death, if they had felt anything was amiss.

I worked for years as a night care assistant on geriatric wards, nursing homes and home care. There are clear signs when a very elderly person’s death is approaching within hours, whether two hours or twenty. First sign is a very deep sleep from which they cannot be roused. Perhaps that morning the Queen didn’t wake for breakfast. Her doctor would have been quite certain she would die within hours.

The limbs and extremities cool and can take on a blueish tinge, feeling increasingly cold to touch. Breathing slows and becomes shallow and erratic, sometimes with very long pauses which make you think they’ve died, then they take another breath and this can go on for some hours. As they stop swallowing, saliva accumulating in the throat can cause a bubbly, rattly sound - it’s often called the “death rattle”. There doesn’t have to be a specific cause like a stroke or heart attack. The body has simply slowed right down and then the heart finally stops. It’s gentle and peaceful, and to die in her favourite place without the wretchedness of repeated hospital stays and the media circus camping outside for photos, it was surely the best possible way to go. I feel for the lady’s maid and personal staff who most likely were first to know what was happening. It was a lucky coincidence that Princess Anne had stayed at Balmoral the previous night and Charles was elsewhere in Scotland.

RIP Ma’am.

As has already been said old age is not a medical condition. It does however make you less likely to recover from a medical condition. A senior civil service source has let it be known privately that the Queen suffered a massive stroke the night before she died. It is of course all academic to a grieving family and grieving nation.

Let her rest in peace, 96 is a great age. Certainly no need for a postmortem!

she was old though

kiligran

Old age …..and a broken heart. Her Majesty when into deep decline when her darling Philip passed away.

Deep decline? I think that’s overstating it somewhat. She became more frail, as you would expect at her age and having lost her husband of many years, but didn’t go into ‘deep decline’.

Don't understand what the fuss is about. At her age, it was probable that she would die within the next few years. As there is no suggestion of foul play, why do we need to know any more?