Tipping out milk in London stores

grandtanteJE65 People may hold any belief they like, the trouble starts when we act upon our beliefs.
Vegans presumably believe that it is both healthier for humans and for the environment if we all stop eating animal-based foodstuff, as they have done.

Some may think that, we don't. We dislike most animal based foodstuffs, high costs associated with those purchases. Veg is cheaper, simple.

Oats and nuts do not produce milk. These non milk products are highly processed in factories and use considerable amounts of energy to produce.

Nobody's forcing anybody to do anything. You're not being coerced here. Nobody's being bullied.

I am vegetarian but would never force anyone to adopt my way of eating. It is a bullying tactic and a waste of food and money.

People may hold any belief they like, the trouble starts when we act upon our beliefs.

In doing so, we have to make sure we are not breaking the law.
I imagine these protesters had not paid for the milk they emptied out in the shops. So they could surely be charged either with wanton destruction of someone else's property or with theft.

Vegans presumably believe that it is both healther for humans and for the environment if we all stop eating animal-based foodstuff, as they have done.

They have no more right to try to force others to believe this than I have to try to force others to go to Mass every Sunday!

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Milk that gets into eco system is extremely dangerous and harmful and these idiots p ok ve the UN know NOWT! Disgraceful to waste a stole like m ok ok anyway I'll drink it up if any left in jugs when I have meals out! We were taught to never waste milk!!

Just for a bit of balance, both these protestors have been charged along with 100 environmental protestors who took action over the weekend. The police did not do nothing.

We don't know that they don't work, in fact I think he definitely does and she definitely sit on committees of climate change charities/activist groups. These people are motivated to make positive change and give their time to that. You might not approve of their actions but their sentiment is worthy of consideration.

They weren't trying to make us vegan. Their protest was aimed at the government.

Urmstongran I constantly look and wonder at all those save the earth type protesters wrapped up, wearing and waving plastic based items. Even the glue they use to stick themself to railings etc.

Disgraceful! What a waste of a food product. That certainly wouldn't persuade me to convert to anything.

My attitude is how entitled are these people? There are people out there who can't afford milk or its a luxury. Yet these protesters feel that not only do they have the right to tell everyone what life choices to make, but destroy items they don't own? I hope they are prosecuted.

I'm not a vegan and I completely disagree with the methods used by these protestors but although they are old hat, they've got people like us talking about the issue, and personally, I've not drunk cow's milk for decades. Cow's milk is for cows, just as the milk many of us produced for our babies was for them and precisely for them. Oat and nut milks taste as good as if not better than cows' milk, and they don't have the same unwanted effects on the planet as the production of milk from cows does - that's a fact substantiated by academically rigorous research. And I do think that if cows' milk drinkers were to actually see what happens to dairy cows - arms up their rear ends to artificially inseminate them so they can continually give milk with no babies to suckle - they might just thing again about enabling that level of suffering.

I think it's disgraceful why should they force their opinions on other people they really need to get a job. If I was deciding to go vegan having seen thier stupid antics I would change my mind

Watching the news I feel embarrassed and very annoyed that our government can allow such a large deployment of Police to look stupid standing watching these activists disrupting peoples lives. I fear that before long peoples anger will overspill and there will be casualties of death. I wish water cannon could be used, harmless but humiliating. These eco warriors must be stupid, large plastic banners, dyed hair they really don’t have a clue do they ?
This government need to get on and do things for the general public to feel pleased about, dealing with these activists in a meaningful way would help a would arresting the idiots emptying milk out in Selfridges and Fortnam and Mason. Waste is dreadful and why should they try to inflict their ideas on others ? I really like milk and will continue to drink it whatever they do.
Do these activists work or are we paying for them to be unemployed and disruptive ? I hate what they are doing.

So sad and wasteful. My daughter is vegan as am I but we would never condone waste of dairy products as so many animals die and suffer in its production. She worked for a (posh) supermarket one Christmas and they made her throw hundreds of pounds worth of cheese into a skip on Christmas Eve. She wept for so long and it was really traumatic for her.

Urmstongran

And as regards the climate activists in London I think they'll find that their Just Stop Oil banner is produced using oil derivatives. So too the frames for their spectacles, their trainers and their mobile phones.

And did they teleport themselves there?

I believe everything you have mentioned is available oil and animal free. They may have walked to their destination or cycled.
I have no wish to become vegan and their approach certainly won't change my mind. In saying that, I have changed my attitude and shopping habits to embrace a more environmentally aware.

What a waste of good food. My diet is mainly plant based. It is my personal choice though. I don't try and persuade others and get annoyed at these activists. I do know more and more are going meat free once or twice a week now...cheaper.

Unrelated to the actual protest were talking about on this thread, there seems to be a strong desire to just have a go at people you think are telling you how to live your lives. Or complaining that environmentalists wear shoes (or something). Wanting to change how countries meet the needs of their citizens isn't "telling you what to do" and anybody who thinks it is, is missing the point. Complaining that protesters use energy that isn't renewable (etc) is just laughable. They are trying to get things changed. Do you expect them to live in the dark and not use the electricity in the meantime? Actually, don't answer that...

I have been veggie/vegan for over 50 yrs & think these extremists give us a bad name. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions & choices. I am constantly having arguments with these new 'jumping on the the latest trend band wagon' eco warriors who behave badly & defend their actions with their excuse of 'good intentions'.

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I do criticise their wish for everyone to become vegan !! surely people have their own choices in life as to what they eat & drink .

So you criticise their wish ?‍♀️

I think they, along with the oil protesters, are loosing support for their causes by their methods. In a cost of living crisis wasting good food and stopping people from getting to work to earn a living is not getting them any brownie points

I try hard to be environmentally responsible. Climate activists must live in cities with excellent public transport. When they can advise me how to get about in mid-Northumberland without using my car and how to heat my home without using fossil fuels or energy generated from them, I will consider their demands with sympathy.
If they use their own cars, if they heat their homes other than with renewable energy, if they consume imported goods, devices or domestic appliances, if they eat foods that contribute to destruction of rain forests e.g. avocados, then they are hypocrites. Let them put their own house in order before disrupting mine.
There!

I wonder if they realise that these methods are more likely to antagonise even the most like minded people.

Well of course the whole Vegan thing is big business isn't it? And very poplar amongst middle class activists who have nothing better to do with their time.

I am aware that not all these folk are young people either.

And as for wasting food then it is obvious that none of them have ever gone hungry. SHAME ON THEM.

They've probably been ignored all their lives so it's their way of drawing attention to themselves, nothing to do with any 'cause'.