Apart from death , what are your worries for your Grandchildren?

I dont have any and never wanted children. A decision I never regretted.

I would not have had time or patience for all that helecopter parenting and would have left mine to tough it out the way I had to in school.

OK some people have positive experiences of certain religions but it is not true everywhere.
I have lived in a mostly Muslim area in a city. I experienced quite a bit of anti white racism living there. Including offensive graffiti. But the worst was the grown men trying to grope my teenage DD and do the whole trying to groom her behaviour.
It didn't happen because she wasn't vulnerable. But it did frighten her.
I was not impressed with what happened,
I wish now I had made more fuss, i didn't make any, but I didn't want to upset anyone.
The muslim women were not allowed to talk to me. And these women do as they are told.
I saw and experienced enough prejudice towards us as white non muslims that my feelings have changed.

I don't want my DCGs to be hurt by any men. whatever colour or religion.

No you are wrong. The OP asked what our fears were for our grandchildren. One of my fears was that one day when I’m long gone they might be in an Islamic country (UK).

Your first paragraph makes no sense at all as I was originally told that the majority of Muslims are white. So you are now suggesting I’m racist towards Arabs? Basically, you’ve jumped on a bandwagon without thinking it through and launched into racism. Attempting to stifle any discussion. However, the thread wasn’t really a discussion. People replied to the OP and your opinion on whether my fears are justified or not isn’t wanted or valued.

You cannot categorically state this will never happen and to suggest this country is becoming far right is a far left slur. The UK is far, far removed from being far right but such as you, from a position on the far left make such spurious claims. Thousands of people risking their lives to get here proves what a tolerant country the UK is.

I had a post deleted for stating a fact and your assertion that there are areas of open hostility to Muslims is false. There is far more hostility to Jews. Do you realise there is a police presence at every Synagogue for services? Are you aware of the Muslim attacks on elderly Jewish men and women carried out by Muslims in parts of London and Manchester? This is fact. Obviously not all Muslims behave like this so I don’t need you to tell me that and you’re wrong about the call to prayer- I know as I used to live in a high Muslim population area and my neighbours were Muslim. There was a madrasa on one end of the street and several mosques in the area. We all rubbed along very well but I wouldn’t have mentioned the fact that I’m Jewish and the youngest of my 3 sons is gay and he was well aware that he had to keep that quiet.

Please don’t lecture me about that which you know nothing about. Carry on in ignorance.

Nor do I. You can’t live your life worrying about what May/May not happen. I hope my grandchild stays healthy and has a happy life. That’s as much as I can hope for.

I can't say I spend any particular amount of time worrying for the sake of it.

Given that the majority of Islamic countries are Middle Eastern I think it’s quite obvious who the target group for comments about Muslims taking over is targeted at.

Your original post wasn’t criticising Islamic countries though, was it? It was suggesting that the UK would become an Islamic country. I was pointing out it is ridiculous to think that when 95% of the population are not Muslim. This country has become more and more right wing in the last decade, as a lot of Europe seems to have (Italy and france for example). In lots of areas there is an open hostility to Muslims. The UK is never going to become a Muslim country. There may be sharia courts now but they don’t trump British law. The call to prayer is no different to church bells as pp’s have pointed out, it’s not a demand that you go to a mosque and pray. I worked in a majority Muslim school, in an area with a large Muslim population and staff and students weren’t allowed to take time out of lessons to pray. Saying the UK will become a Muslim country is hysteria born out of racism.

It’s very rude to tell someone not to be so bloody ridiculous which is what you said to me. Also calling me a racist. Since when has religion been a race?? You’re talking nonsense and if it’s taken you this long to come up with that retort please don’t bother with another.

Would you call Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch racist when they criticise Islamic countries?

Well all the statistics in my post are from the office of national statistics and freely accessible online. Given they use census date I’m sure they do know how many people, and muslims or any other religion are in the country.

It’s not rude to challenge racism. It is however, rude and discriminatory to be racist.

them not knowing how wonderful they are

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welbeck
Are you aware of hell that abused Muslim women suffer if they go to a sharia court for help.

southallblacksisters.org.uk/news/call-on-the-british-government-to-stop-pushing-minority-women-towards-religious-courts/

If my grandkids get beaten up in the street (please no, please) I am 100% sure it won't be from kids from Muslim gangs!

welbeck

but surely sharia courts do not affect anyone who does not choose to be bound by them.
they are akin to the court of the chief rabbi, aren't they, and traditional orthodox jewish secondary schools, and weddings etc are also segregated by sex.
they are a sub-group of society, with their own rules and customs which their adherents choose to follow.
and they can leave the sub-group if they wish.
it doesn't affect the majority of society who are not members of that sub-group.
whether muslim or jewish, or any other religion.
there are ecclesiastical courts which determine fine points of canon law, matrimonial matters etc.
i really cannot understand what the fear is about.

Thank you. This exactly. It seems always fine to attack anything to do with Islam, and yet not at all when it applies to similar practices in other faiths, like orthodox Jewish.

Now, I am NOT in favour of either. And I certainly believe schools should never be organised by such groups, and that girls and women should be protected.

for example, i have never personally been caught out by the off-side rule in association football, nor do i have any fear concerning its purview Oh my that’s excruciatingly funny. What a comic turn of phrase you have.

Whilst you may not be caught out by the off side rule one of your grandsons might!

Bit of an own goal there dear ???

welbeck

for example, i have never personally been caught out by the off-side rule in association football, nor do i have any fear concerning its purview.

???

for example, i have never personally been caught out by the off-side rule in association football, nor do i have any fear concerning its purview.

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Gagajo

Staple response when one has run out of anything remotely credible to say.

GagaJo ???

I'm not engaging with you anymore tickingbird. There is too much bigotry in the world to tolerate it when it's unnecessary.

Thank you all for your kind words.

Gagajo

You think the UK is suffering Sharia law. And I'm the problem

Get a grip.

You seem incapable of understanding the written word. As so often happens on here, things get twisted in order to suit your argument. I haven’t said the UK “is suffering Sharia law”. As far as the authorities know there are 85 sharia law courts in the UK. Therefore, you need to get a grip on your facts.

For the final time I’m not anti Muslim. I know it’s difficult for you; I do understand. If you’re unsure go and live in an Islamic country - there’s plenty to choose from and the majority have shocking human rights records and YES I don’t want my young grandchildren to ever find themselves in a country increasingly dominated by Islamic practices.

Jimjam1

My hopes for the future are a cure for cancer. My brother is so very ill at this present time.

So sorry, I know exactly how you feel I went through my brother Jimmy’s journey with him and bowel cancer….. this was in 2003…

Jimjam1

My hopes for the future are a cure for cancer. My brother is so very ill at this present time.

I'm so sorry Jimjam1. Such a hard thing to be going through.

My worries for my grandchildren and my great grandchildren are many, but my main is the country debt that has now been landed with them.

What a future for them and that may not be the last to come.