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Daddima Wed 02-Nov-22 14:52:51

Seeing the widespread wearing of headscarves ( or ‘headsquares’ as my mother called them), do any of you wear them?
And, watching Princess Margaret’s wedding, did any of you promise to ‘obey’ ( I didn’t), and if you did, did you ever have to keep your vow?

Wheniwasyourage Wed 02-Nov-22 21:54:02

Headscarves tied behind my neck, particularly in the sun. In recent times the same scarves have been folded into face masks.

We got married in the Church of Scotland where the promise was to be "a loving, faithful and dutiful husband/wife (as appropriate) until God shall separate us by death". No obeying involved.

BigBertha1 Wed 02-Nov-22 22:14:08

My mother wore a headscarf like the Wueen. She had quite a few of them to protect her coiffeur. I didn't promise to obey.

BigBertha1 Wed 02-Nov-22 22:14:59

Queen!

BrightandBreezy Thu 03-Nov-22 01:37:13

When I was a child in the50s my mother wouldn't dream of going out without a silk headscarf draped over her head and secured firmly under her chin. By the 60s it had become more of a token chiffon number. Worn to protect her hair do and also to still look 'respectable'. By the 70s she had abandoned the head scarf altogether and I think it was about that era when she had what was called a cottage loaf style hairdo. She was considered quite a modern dresser then and still is very smart these days in a more casual way at the age of 91.
I never promised to obey. I definitely got that part omitted. I don't think it was an issue at the time with the clergyman. Good job as it would have been totally beyond my capabilities to just do as I was told. 😁😁

Grammaretto Thu 03-Nov-22 01:52:57

We had a Quaker wedding where we both promised to be loving and faithful as long as we both on earth shall live.
I have a couple of liberty woollen headscarves inherited from my mother. She wore them around her neck.
I tied mine at the nape of the neck, early 70s .

The Queen wore headscarves at Balmoral.

nanna8 Thu 03-Nov-22 08:26:25

I used to wear one tied at the back of my neck in the 1960s, I think it was trendy then. I really can’t remember what I said in the marriage ceremony, 55 years ago. I don’t remember much about the day except it was in a Methodist church and it was sunny.

hollysteers Thu 03-Nov-22 08:36:46

Scarf tied Audrey Hepburn style aged around fifteen (with a white belted mac).
Never saw my mother with a headscarf but women going to church in the city wore one.
Can’t remember my marriage service in detail, I was a bohemian hippy and thought engagements and marriage was for the birds😁

Maggiemaybe Thu 03-Nov-22 08:56:44

I sometimes wore a headsquare tied at the nape when I lived in Germany in the early 70s. It wasn’t a trend there and for some reason it often got me mistaken for an Italian. confused

We were just given the option of taking obey out of the marriage vows and of course we did.

Kalu Thu 03-Nov-22 09:01:29

I too wore the Audrey Hepburn style and knot at the nape of my neck.
I wear a selection of silk squares, folded, wound round my neck and tied in a small knot in the winter.
If I am working in the garden on a windy day, I fold a scarf into a hairband, tied at the top of my head to keep my hair away from my face and to protect my ears.
I wear a cropped cashmere twin-set and pearls with my jeans kitty. 😂

merlotgran Thu 03-Nov-22 11:51:07

nanna8

I used to wear one tied at the back of my neck in the 1960s, I think it was trendy then. I really can’t remember what I said in the marriage ceremony, 55 years ago. I don’t remember much about the day except it was in a Methodist church and it was sunny.

I married in 1968 and I can’t remember either. If I did promise to obey I certainly wouldn’t have meant it! 😂

grandtanteJE65 Thu 03-Nov-22 18:19:10

My mother, born in 1926, wore a head scarf tied under her chin in the years when the Queen and Princess Margaret did.

I always thought the style unbecoming. Later I associated it with some of the Jewish ladies I knew who had originally come to Britain as refugees from Eastern Europe.

In the 1970s all my generation in Denmark wore either cloth nappies, dyed purple, as head scarves as a Women's Lib statement showing that we had better things to do with our time than wash nappies as the disposable ones had been invented. Before that only midwives used a nappy as a head-scarf. And they didn't dye theirs.

Then the fashion changed to head squares, preferably in gingham cotton, the size of the kind of table-cloth used by our mothers on a coffee table. They were a yard square and folded into a triangle, knotted at the nape of your neck with the point of the triangle under the knot. You then twisted the two long ends of the triangle and wrapped them round the the scarf on your head, knotting them at the top of your head.

They remained fashionable for at least ten years.

Another, less common fashion, still popular with some Orthodox Jewish women was used if you had washed your hair and had to go out in winter, or worked on a surgical , or neo-natal ward.

This entailed not folding the yard square scarf but bringing the top two corners up to the top of your head under your hair, knotting them there, or securing them with kirby grips. then bringing the other end that was hanging down your back up to the top of your head, over your hair and finally knotting its corners under both layers of the scarf at the nape of your neck.

This style made it practically certain that no stray hairs could fall on a patient or a baby. Some women working in kitchens used this method too - it is certainly hygienic.

Mollygo Thu 03-Nov-22 18:29:25

DH rejected the idea of saying ‘obey’. He told the vicar a marriage should be based on truth.
Never worn a headscarf, but I have a pic of my mum wearing one. She still managed to look glamorous.

Mancjules Thu 03-Nov-22 21:12:29

Yes Big Louis...I wore one when I visited Iran. Only out in public but did nothing for my curly hair haha. Felt like Granny Clampet...but the Iranian ladies always looked stunning.

biglouis Thu 03-Nov-22 22:59:59

I can recall going on a Nile cruise to Aswan and the clique on my table were not very friendly because I was on my own. I went out to the soukh wearing full hijab and never got a second look. Shopped in peace. I passed right by the bunch from the ship who were being hassled by beggers and guides. They did not recognise me. Loved it.

nanna8 Fri 04-Nov-22 08:14:56

I like that biglouis. Good for you.

MerylStreep Fri 04-Nov-22 08:21:08

Rosie51
Yes she was.

Peartree Fri 04-Nov-22 19:37:16

I remember my mum had a padded headscarf. It was the fashion in the early 70s to wear a scarf tied at the neck you wore it with your flared dungerees.

Nanna58 Fri 04-Nov-22 19:51:38

Never worn a headscarf and didn’t promise to obey .
Incidentally never worn a wedding ring either, in 43 years of being married.

Queenofhearts Sat 05-Nov-22 11:43:48

SueDonim

I wear one when out in our open top sports car! I like to think I look like Grace Kelly or Audrey Hepburn but I fear I’m more Nora Batty or Ena Sharples. grin

Oh that made me laugh 😂. I'm the same but have taken to wearing a baseball cap. Not sure it looks much better 🤔

Alison333 Sat 05-Nov-22 11:47:19

I got married in 1984 and the vicar told me that if I didn't promise to 'obey' in the service we wouldn't be properly married! He then went on to say kindly that he would pray for us anyway - it still makes me cross when I remember that. The 'obey' bit was left out and here we are still married 38 years later!

SiobhanSharpe Sat 05-Nov-22 12:03:40

Married in 1977, definitely didn't promise to obey. (Vicar took one look at me and didn't even ask if I wanted it included,)
Headscarves (or squares) no no no. I might have knotted one around my neck occasionally or tied it onto a handbag strap to go with an outfit but on the head was far too 'old-lady'. See below.
But my mother, born 1925, wore them almost all the time. Much like the Queen whenever she was off-duty.
I'm an old lady myself now but I still would not countenance a headscarf on my head. Hats look loads better on me but even those I only wear in cold weather.

GrammarGrandma Sat 05-Nov-22 12:24:24

No and no. Married 1972 and kept own name.

SueDonim Sat 05-Nov-22 12:37:16

grin Queenofhearts. My Dh has taken to wearing a baseball cap in the sports car, too. 🤔 Better than him wearing a headscarf, I guess!

I forgot Q2 - no, I didn’t promise to obey.

Thisismyname1953 Sat 05-Nov-22 12:56:00

I was married in 1972 and definitely didn’t say obey in my vows . Why would I?

Theoddbird Sat 05-Nov-22 13:01:01

I wear a scarf tied round my head and knotted on top every day...have around 30...all different colours. I don't watch The Crown...it is a gossip prog...